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Hello, I have both the panoramic views about Rome and Vienna by Probst. There are various editions from different copper so I'm not sure that the mine are the same that you are looking for. Anyway you can see if there are of something of your interest on www.ideararemaps.com Highest Regards Ruggiero Fontanella 2010/4/16 <[email protected]> > Send Maphist mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Maphist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - 13 May (Nick Millea) > 2. RE: map state (Cook, Andrew) > 3. RE: Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia (Francis Herbert) > 4. A Greek book on cartography of Greece - in Greek (2009) > (Francis Herbert) > 5. Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff Heirs)- an > ask (Dominika Krawczyk) > 6. RE: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)-an ask (Francis Herbert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:12:38 +0100 > From: "Nick Millea" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - 13 May > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <90d289a1aead8a418c15fbaef938b34c01593...@ouls-exch01.ouls.ox.ac.uk > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear All, > > Cross-posted to various listservs and the Friends of TOSCA. > > Here are the details for our third and final seminar of the 2009/10 > series. All are welcome to attend. > Please forward any queries to Nick Millea (contact details below). > > > > THE OXFORD SEMINARS IN CARTOGRAPHY > > 17th Annual Series > > > Thursday 13 May 2010 > The Corpus Christi Collection: a set of Dutch and English manuscript sea > charts of South East Asia and the East Indies from around 1660-1670. > By Sjoerd de Meer (Maritiem Museum, Rotterdam) > > Seminar runs from 5.00pm to 6.30pm at the University of Oxford Centre > for the Environment, South Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3QY > > > The Oxford Seminars in Cartography are supported by the Friends of > TOSCA, ESRI (UK) Ltd, Oxford Cartographers, and the School of Geography > and the Environment > > _______________________________________________________ > > Nick Millea > > Map Librarian, Bodleian Library, Broad Street, Oxford, OX1 3BG > Tel: 01865 287119 > Fax: 01865 277139 > Email: [email protected] > ***PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!*** > > Homepage: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/guides/maps/ > > Temporary move of Special Collections: > More information at: www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/scmoves > > _______________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:21:38 +0100 > From: "Cook, Andrew" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MapHist] map state > To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Paper maps don't have 'states'. Only a plate can change state, when > interfered with by an engraver. Any map is merely an example of those > maps printed from that plate in a particular state. An act of printing, > applying a sheet of paper to an inked plate, is an impression. We all > use 'copy' of a map (as in 'a copy of a book') too loosely when we > really mean an example of those maps printed from a particular state of > a plate, and so it is convenient to use 'impression', meaning > 'impression from a state of a plate'. > 'Copy' denotes an act of copying, either by hand ('manuscript copy of > ...'), or by printing from a new printing surface or substrate derived > from a paper example of a map previously printed from another plate. > Separate from this is the derivation of printing substrates (new or > duplicate plates) direct from former plates, either photomechanically or > electrolytically. Or the derivation of new planographic printing > surfaces (stone, zinc or plastic) photomechanically from engraved > plates. But this is all much later than the sixteenth century ... > HTH > Andrew Cook > > ________________________________ > > Andrew S Cook PhD FRHistS FRSA > Map Archivist, India Office Records > Asia, Pacific & Africa Collections > T +44 (0) 20 7412 7828 > F +44 (0) 20 7412 7641 > The British Library > 96 Euston Road > London NW1 2DB > > www.bl.uk > ________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Alfred Moldovan > Sent: 14 April 2010 20:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MapHist] map state > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > o + > > How does one differentiate between a "copy" and "later state" of a map? > Al > > Alfred Moldovan, MD > 444 Central Park West > New York, NY 10025 > Tel. 212.865.2828 > Fax: 212.865.3111 > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:59:12 +0100 > From: "Francis Herbert" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia > To: "'C.Delano-Smith'" <[email protected]>, "'Discussion group > for map history'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <28fecac1a2954a09b53101c2439c5...@francis> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Catherine: > > > > Before we all plunge headlong into 're-inventing the wheel' - that is, > citing Dr Albert Ganado and the most likely of his published works on > the cartography of Malta (etc.) - to provide the required answers, has > Roger Vella [or 'Della'?] Bonavita, in fact, confirmed that he has > already investigated this most authoritative source? > > > > Francis (who else?) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of C.Delano-Smith > Sent: 15 April 2010 09:03 > To: Maphist > Subject: [MapHist] Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia > > > > Dear MapHisters, > > > > Is anybody able to help a non-subscriber, Roger Vella Bonavita (W > Australia) who is writing on Malta and searching for a map formerly in > the collection of G H Beans, passed to Tall Trees Library, but > eventually sold separately when the remainder of the Beans collection > was broken up. See Imago Mundi , vol VI 'Notes from the Tall Tree > Library' pp32/3. > > > > The map is titled 'Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia' > > > > It shows the old capital of Malta. Beans ascribed it to Gabrio > Serbelloni together with plans of fortifications in Sicily and North > Africa, dating them all to the period around the mid 1570's. > > > > If anybody is able to point Mr Vella Bonavita in the right direction, I > shall be pleased to forward your message . > > > > Please write to me off list if you prefer. > > > > Catherine Delano-Smith > > > > > > Dr Catherine Delano-Smith > Senior Research Fellow, Institute of Historical Research, University of > London > Editor, IMAGO MUNDI The International Journal for the History of > Cartography > > > > For editorial matters, see IMAGO MUNDI's homepage at > http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html > For all matters relating to subscriptions and sales from the publishers, > Routledge (Taylor & Francis), see > http://www.informaworld.com/rimu > For access to back issues (1935 to 2002 inclusive, via JSTOR > subscription) see > http://www.jstor.org/journals/03085694.html > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100415/7bd887a5/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:05:25 +0100 > From: "Francis Herbert" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] A Greek book on cartography of Greece - in Greek > (2009) > To: "'Discussion group for map history'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <df5b341584634de98142669eec1d3...@francis> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A finely-produced, soft-covered, book that came my way during the 5th > International Workshop on Digital Approaches in Cartographic Heritage > (Vienna, 22-24 February 2010) organised through ICA’s Commission on > Digital Technologies in Cartographic Heritage [see: > http://cartography.tuwien.ac.at/cartoheritage/] and Technical University > of Vienna’s Cartography Research Group was the following (it was from ‘a > Greek bearing gifts’:-)):- > > > > Chartografikés peripéteis tis Elládas 1821 – 1919 : me aformí éna > cheirografo tou Konstantínou Níder (1898) [= Cartographic adventures of > Greece 1821 – 1919 : with a manuscript of Konstantínos Níder (1898) / > Evángelos Livierátos. – Athína : Ellenikó Logotechnikó kai Istorikó > Archeío, 2009. – 287p. : ill., maps, portr. (some col.) ; 30 cm. – > Bibliogr. (in separate Greek Cyrillic and in roman script sequences): > p.273-279; refs/footnotes 1-323 are distributed throughout the work. – > Contents: A: Ta chartografiká tou 1821 : proigoúmena kai méchri tin > ídrisi tou krátous [= The cartography of 1821 : preceding and following > the foundation of the State] (p.[17]-78) [especially on works of J.-B. > B. d’Anville, J.D. Barbié du Bocage, A. Gazi, Rígas Velestenlís, W.M. > Leake, P. Lapie, and F. von Weiss] – V: I chartografía tou néou krátous, > 1828 - 1889 [= The cartography of the new State, 1828 -1889] > (p.[79]-166) – G: Ta chartografiká epómena, 1897 - 1919 [= The > subsequent mapping, 1897 - 1919] (p.[167]-206 – Epilegómena (p.207-212) > – Parártimata A’: To ellinikó krátos, 1889 – 1896 : I epochí kai ta > kyriótera gnorísmatá tis [= The Greek State, 1889 – 1896 : the period > and its chief characteristics] / Elpida Vogli (p.[213]-226) – > Parártimata V’: To cheirógrafo tou Konstantínou Níder : ékthesis > ergasión Chartografikís Ypiresías, apó tis systáseós tis (Áug. 1889) > méchri Fevrouaríou 1898 [= Konstantínos Níder’s manuscript : exhibiting > the work of the Map Service, from its establishment (Aug. 1889) until > February 1898] / E. Livierátos, María Pazarlí, Nopi Ploútoglou > (p.[227]-268) – Chronológio 1801 – 1919 (p.269-272). - ISBN > 978-960-201-194-2 > > > > Any errors in transcription and/or approximate translation into English > are my own. Should there be any questions over which transliteration > standard was used here, I can state that it was the following:- > > > > Romanization systems and roman-script spelling conventions. – 6th ed., > September 2008 / prepared by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names Foreign > Names Committee Staff and the United Kingdom Permanent Committee on > Geographical Names. – Bethesda MD : National Geospatial-Intelligence > Agency, 2008. – vi,126p. : ill., maps (on outside covers) ; 28 cm. – > Includes ‘Appendix A: Unicode character equivalents’ (p.105-121) ; > ‘Appendix B: Optimizing software and operating systems to display > BGN-approved geographic names’ (p.123-126). – NSN [sic] 7643015085177 > > > > Francis Herbert > > [email protected] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100415/c1a4fcf7/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:16:57 +0200 > From: Dominika Krawczyk <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)- an ask > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in > Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and > Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that > deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to > conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and > Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich > Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard > Werner drawings. > > Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are > lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with > these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed in fragments > which have been lost. > > I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma > objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of > Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have > found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on > auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I > have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have > read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice > published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. > (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) > > I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information > about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I > suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't > know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask > for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. > > Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. > > Dominika Krawczyk > > PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:52:59 +0100 > From: "Francis Herbert" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by > J.F.Probst(J.Wolff Heirs)-an ask > To: "'Discussion group for map history'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <395d5afed0a0497eb5883e1539c68...@francis> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Ms Krawczyk, > > Welcome to 'MapHist'. Alas, I cannot provide you with a direct and > positive answer to your request; but, as we say in English, 'I know a > man who can' (maybe . . .). Take a look (and/or then contact) Michael > Ritter from Germany; I do not know how good is his Polish - but his > English is very good. The reference below to his article in > 'Cartographica Helvetica' is a good starting point (he has published > other artilces on similar persons and period in the same journal) - > > Ritter, Michael (Sielenbach): Die Landkarten von Jeremias Wolff und > Johann Friedrich Probst. 35/07 21–30 > Zusammenfassung | Summary | Résumé | Volltext > > This reference is taken off the 'CH' website [www.kartengeschichte.ch], > from which you will discover that the article may be read - free - in > the comfort of your own home/University Library. As usual, not > everything an author knows is in print; so Michael Ritter may well know > where are other exemplars of your two prints. > > Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Dominika Krawczyk > Sent: 15 April 2010 18:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)-an ask > > I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in > Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and > Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that > deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to > conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and > Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich > Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard > Werner drawings. > > Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are > lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with > these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed in fragments > which have been lost. > > I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma > objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of > Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have > found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on > auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I > have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have > read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice > published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. > (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) > > I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information > about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I > suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't > know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask > for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. > > Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. > > Dominika Krawczyk > > PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > End of Maphist Digest, Vol 56, Issue 16 > *************************************** >
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