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In addition to Briquet, there have been several supplements and revisions to Briquet's work including ones by Bofarull y Sans, Alfred Shulte, as well as ones on areas that Briquet neglected. Peter H. Meurer's memory is correct, some of Plantin's papers came from what is now Burgundy bordering on Champagne. Patricia Seed UC-Irvine > Send Maphist mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Maphist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. (no subject) ([email protected]) > 2. 2nd Invitation: Research on internet use by academic > geographers (Matthew W. Wilson) > 3. Re: (no subject) (Rand Burnette) > 4. 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Re: Re: Watermarks (Peter Meurer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:14:20 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [MapHist] (no subject) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Can anyone direct me to any study of the watermarks that appear on the > maps > of Braun and Hogenberg? > > Fred Shauger > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/d5db6097/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:36:26 -0400 > From: "Matthew W. Wilson" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] 2nd Invitation: Research on internet use by > academic geographers > To: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected] > Cc: Sarah Starkweather <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > **Apologies for cross-postings, please distribute in your departments** > > Dear colleague, > > A few weeks ago, we wrote to you to invite your participation in a > brief online questionnaire about internet use and online content > creation by academic geographers. As a reminder, you can access the > 15-minute questionnaire through the following link: > > https://catalysttools.washington.edu/webq/survey/mwarrenw/94085 > > If you have already participated, wed like to take this opportunity > to say thank you were really looking forward to seeing how our > fellow academic geographers are using (and not using) the internet in > their professional lives. And if you do not wish to participate, not > to worry we wont be sending any further mass reminders! > > All the best, > > Sarah Starkweather Matthew W. Wilson > Department of Geography Department of Geography > National University of Singapore Ball State University > +65 8424-0675 or +1 425-296-0961 +1 765-285-1334 > [email protected] [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:49:43 -0500 > From: Rand Burnette <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MapHist] (no subject) > To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Fred Shauger, > The most complete study of watermarks is David Woodward's Catalogue of > Watermarks in Italian Printed Maps, ca. 1540-1600. Chicago: University > of Chicago Press, 1996. Whether he covers B &H I don't know, but he has > an introduction that deals with the previous literature as well as a > three page bibliography (17-19) References to Introduction and Catalogue. > I hope this helps. I have three small volumes of B & H as well as the > six volumes in three with an intro by R.A. Skelton published by World > Publishing of Cleveland and New York in 1966. Skimming those > introductions I couldn't find anything specific on watermarks. > My best in your search, Rand Burnette > On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:14 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to >> the whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> o + >> >> Can anyone direct me to any study of the watermarks that appear on the >> maps of Braun and Hogenberg? >> >> Fred Shauger >> _______________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >> Maphist mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/96a1c00e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:16:21 -0400 > From: "John W. Hessler" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] Columbus' Writings > To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Histers, > > For those interested in such things... > > Estelle Irizarry of Georgetown University discusses and signs her book > "Christopher Columbus: The DNA of His Writingsâ > Library of Congess, Friday, April 23rd > Pickford Theater Third Floor James Madison building > 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM > > for more info on the book.... > > http://medievalnews.blogspot.com/2009/10/christopher-columbus-was-catalan-and.html > > > > > > > > > > > John W. Hessler > Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society > > Senior Cartographic Librarian > Geography and Map Division > Library of Congress > Washington DC > 202-707-7223 > > Website: > http://www.warpinghistory.blogspot.com > > What any picture, of whatever form, must have in common > with reality in order to depict it--correctly or incorrectly-- > in any way at all, is logical form, i.e. the form of reality. > > --Wittgenstein > Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:38:11 -0400 > From: Joel Kovarsky <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MapHist] watermarks in Civitates Orbis Terrarum > To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This strikes me as an extraordinarily complex question, and I wonder if > any (remotely) definitive study would even be possible. Although the > first Latin volume was published in Cologne, a number of printers were > involved over the years. From Stephan Füssel's introduction to the > Taschen reprint edition (p. 40; > http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/all/00346/facts.braun_hogenberg_cities_of_the_world.htm): > "Since no printing materials or business records have survived from this > period, the only clues to professional relationships between the > printers lie in the typographical characteristics and the different > styles of design." Perhaps Italian paper sources were used. This doesn't > answer the question, but given the number of volumes produced over such > an extended period of time, I would venture a guess that there would > have been a number of sources for the paper, which might not have even > been uniform within a single volume. > > Joel Kovarsky > > On 4/22/2010 10:49 AM, Rand Burnette wrote: >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to >> the whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> o + >> >> >> >> >> Fred Shauger, >> The most complete study of watermarks is David Woodward's /Catalogue >> of Watermarks in Italian Printed Maps, ca. 1540-1600. /Chicago: >> University of Chicago Press, 1996. Whether he covers B &H I don't >> know, but he has an introduction that deals with the previous >> literature as well as a three page bibliography (17-19) References to >> Introduction and Catalogue. I hope this helps. I have three small >> volumes of B & H as well as the six volumes in three with an intro by >> R.A. Skelton published by World Publishing of Cleveland and New York >> in 1966. Skimming those introductions I couldn't find anything >> specific on watermarks. >> My best in your search, Rand Burnette >> On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:14 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying >>> to the whole list) >>> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o >>> + o + >>> >>> Can anyone direct me to any study of the watermarks that appear on >>> the maps of Braun and Hogenberg? >>> Fred Shauger > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/5602c583/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:49:41 +0200 > From: "Paul van den Brink" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MapHist] Re: Watermarks > To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Davids Woodwards study is important, but in structure and establishment > too small, and based on a small selection of the material available. You > therefore better use Briquets "Dictionnaire historique des marques du > papier des leur apparition vers 1282 jusqu'en 1600"(Genève, 1907). This > book counts as the basic reference for European watermarks before 1600, > reproducing 16,000 watermarks out of a collection of 40,000 tracings made > in European archives. > > Paul van den Brink > URU/Explokart > University of Utrecht, The Netherlands > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:59:15 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MapHist] watermarks in Civitates Orbis Terrarum > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you Joel, this gives me a lead. > > Fred Shauger > > > In a message dated 4/22/2010 11:38:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > > This strikes me as an extraordinarily complex question, and I wonder if > any (remotely) definitive study would even be possible. Although the > first > Latin volume was published in Cologne, a number of printers were involved > over the years. From Stephan Füssel's introduction to the Taschen reprint > edition (p. 40; > _http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/all/00346/facts.braun_hogenberg_cities_of_the_world.htm_ > (http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/all/00346/facts.braun_hogenberg_cities_of_the_world.htm > ) ): "Since no printing materials or business records have survived from > this period, the only clues to professional relationships between the > printers lie in the typographical characteristics and the different > styles of > design." Perhaps Italian paper sources were used. This doesn't answer the > question, but given the number of volumes produced over such an extended > period > of time, I would venture a guess that there would have been a number of > sources for the paper, which might not have even been uniform within a > single > volume. > > Joel Kovarsky > > On 4/22/2010 10:49 AM, Rand Burnette wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the > whole list) > > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > > > > > Fred Shauger, > The most complete study of watermarks is David Woodward's Catalogue of > Watermarks in Italian Printed Maps, ca. 1540-1600. Chicago: University > of > Chicago Press, 1996. Whether he covers B &H I don't know, but he has an > introduction that deals with the previous literature as well as a three > page > bibliography (17-19) References to Introduction and Catalogue. I hope > this > helps. I have three small volumes of B & H as well as the six volumes in > three with an intro by R.A. Skelton published by World Publishing of > Cleveland > and New York in 1966. Skimming those introductions I couldn't find > anything specific on watermarks. > My best in your search, Rand Burnette > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:14 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: > > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > Can anyone direct me to any study of the watermarks that appear on the > maps of Braun and Hogenberg? > > Fred Shauger > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/55dbe1f4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:00:09 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Re: Watermarks > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks, Paul > > Fred > > > In a message dated 4/22/2010 11:50:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > Davids Woodwards study is important, but in structure and establishment > too small, and based on a small selection of the material available. You > therefore better use Briquets "Dictionnaire historique des marques du > papier des leur apparition vers 1282 jusqu'en 1600"(Genève, 1907). This > book counts as the basic reference for European watermarks before 1600, > reproducing 16,000 watermarks out of a collection of 40,000 tracings made > in European archives. > > Paul van den Brink > URU/Explokart > University of Utrecht, The Netherlands > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/0a8f5b9e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:00:45 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MapHist] (no subject) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > thanks Rand > > Fred > > > In a message dated 4/22/2010 11:00:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > > Fred Shauger, > The most complete study of watermarks is David Woodward's Catalogue of > Watermarks in Italian Printed Maps, ca. 1540-1600. Chicago: University > of > Chicago Press, 1996. Whether he covers B &H I don't know, but he has an > introduction that deals with the previous literature as well as a three > page > bibliography (17-19) References to Introduction and Catalogue. I hope > this > helps. I have three small volumes of B & H as well as the six volumes in > three with an intro by R.A. Skelton published by World Publishing of > Cleveland > and New York in 1966. Skimming those introductions I couldn't find > anything specific on watermarks. > My best in your search, Rand Burnette > > On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:14 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: > > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > Can anyone direct me to any study of the watermarks that appear on the > maps of Braun and Hogenberg? > > Fred Shauger > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: _http://www.maphist.nl_ (http://www.maphist.nl/) > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > > > = > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100422/6a08f332/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:12:22 +0200 > From: "Peter Meurer" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Re: Watermarks > To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <701b4d11f6134c4ab02dff9edba2b...@meurer486bf28f> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There is no study on the watermarks in Braun & Hogenberg at all. But we do > not know Rhenish paper mills who produced such heavy paper in folio > format. > > We know that Mercator in Duisburg bought paper for his maps from Plantijn > in Antwerpen. And Hogenberg may have gone the same way in the early years > (some later volumes are printed on paper in lower quality). > > In the backyard of my brains is an information that Plantijn got his > heavy > paper from mills in the French Champagne. > > Peter H. Meurer > Vopelius project / University Library Cologne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul van den Brink" <[email protected]> > To: "Discussion group for map history" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 5:49 PM > Subject: [MapHist] Re: Watermarks > > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to > the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o > + > > > Davids Woodwards study is important, but in structure and establishment > too small, and based on a small selection of the material available. You > therefore better use Briquets "Dictionnaire historique des marques du > papier des leur apparition vers 1282 jusqu'en 1600"(Genève, 1907). This > book counts as the basic reference for European watermarks before 1600, > reproducing 16,000 watermarks out of a collection of 40,000 tracings made > in European archives. > > Paul van den Brink > URU/Explokart > University of Utrecht, The Netherlands > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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