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yes, Hillary, I am interested in receiving samples of them. vladimiro Il giorno 16/set/2011, alle ore 22.21, [email protected] ha scritto: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > Some info on this - and also apologies for another query on an earlier topic, > anyone help here? > > First the info. On the 1940s 1:1,000,000 world series map no. N G 41 > (Makran), 5th edition, 1944, (1st edn was 1928), covers essentially the > border area of Iran/Pakistan, from the Persian Gulf, covers 60 - 66 deg east, > 24 - 28 deg N, this map has a "RELATIVE RELIABILITY" inset map, showing most > of the map to be derived from a "Reconnaissance Survey 1889 - 1932" ... > some small irregular portions to the west are derived from a "Rigorous survey > 1918-32". > > This map is part of the series I queried earlier (none of the others have > this "RELATIVE RELIABILITY" inset map), in email in December 2006. > > Now the new query - having had sight of more of this series, from India to > France, they have a strange set of what appear to be concentric lines > labelled 12 degrees w, 11, 10 etc through 0 to 3 degrees east - I guess with > more maps this series would extend. BUT these lines correspond to no spatial > system I can imagine. They certainly aren't long / lat lines, though they > 'impersonate' them. Rather the 3 degrees W line goes north-south between > Italy and Sicily, swoops round S E I guess across Sudan / Somalia (not seen > this) and ends up running East-west across the southern tip of India. The 2 > deg east line crosses the eastern tip of Cyprus, running NW to SE, crosses > the northern tip of Oman running east-west, then turns to the north east > across southern Pakistan. > > So there's some kind of concentric pattern of these, which I guess would be > centred on somewhere in western China, at maybe 10 deg east, and the lines > exist at least as far out as one in western France, here running north south, > labelled 12 deg west. Furthermore, the line spacing appears to become closer > in western Europe (where these lines run N-S), compared to spacing in S Asia, > where they run E-W 9and run SW to NE in S E Asia, Thailand etc.. > > Anyone know how these lines were derived, what they were used for (the maps > were, as I was kindly informed by several maphsisters, WW 2 aviators, and > from a world series). > > I can try and scan and send if anyione interested. > > Once again, many thanks for the replies of January 2007, > > Dr Hillary Shaw > School of Business, Management and Marketing > Harper Adams University College > Newport > Shropshire > TF10 8NB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Day <[email protected]> > To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:13 > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Looking for a map with a specific kind of reliability > diagram > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > Disclaimer: I have nothing useful to add to this discussion. ;-) > > Now, let me ask a naive question: Isn't there a value judgement being place > here calling these "reliability" charts? > > Doesn't that presume that latter measurements are more reliable than earlier > ones? > > I realize that this is the term that is used, but isn't this more analogous > to the "References" section of paper? IOW, what were the sources for the > data. > > Sorry for the distraction. > >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> >> >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0120_01CC745E.44C4D580" >> Content-Language: en-gb >> Dear Dana, >> The only examples I come across regularly appear on British Admiralty >> charts, but only those published as of some time (sorry to be vague) around >> the last couple of decades of the 20th century. An exact date could be got >> from Guy Hannaford ([email protected]), the UKHO archivist who is >> extremely helpful. It is possible this is as a result of an International >> Hydrographic Organization standard. Here is an example: >> <image003.jpg> >> Before that date reliability indications as to survey data were loosely >> noted in the chart colophon, but only in terms of the date of the most >> recent survey and the ship and surveyors who did it. There was sometimes a >> reference to previous surveys where that data was incorporated in the new >> chart. Otherwise indications of reliability were given by convention - e.g. >> for vigias. In addition, for soundings (when individual soundings rather >> than depth contours were the norm) a different font was used (usually >> italic) to indicate soundings from previous charts of doubtful reliability. >> >> Hope that helps. >> Stephen D >> >> Dr Stephen Davies >> CSSC Maritime Heritage Research Fellow >> Hong Kong Maritime Museum >> g/f Murray House, Stanley Plaza, >> Stanley, >> Hong Kong SAR, >> China >> >> Tel: (+852) 2813 2322 >> Fax: (+852) 2813 8033 >> www.hkmaritimemuseum.org >> -------------------------------------------------- >> HKMM is moving to Central Pier 8 in 2012 ! >> çÅç`äCéñîéï®äõíâó2012îNëJâùíÜä¬îÂj·ì! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Dana A. Freiburger >> Sent: 16 September 2011 01:10 >> To: Discussion group for map history >> Subject: [MapHist] Looking for a map with a specific kind of reliability >> diagram >> >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> o + o + o + >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. 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