First the software which used to be located at CPLUS.org is Radio Mobile Freeware by 
VE2DBE and is still at the site http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html. It is 
different from the RadioSoft-RadioLink program mentioned in your follow up e-mail. The 
RadioLink program  is a point to point software only. Second, the Radio Mobile 
Freeware program DOES NOT perform predictions just
like dBPlanner or any other program with the exception of EDX now owned by Comarco. 
Radio Mobile and EDX both utilize the ITM model. A bit of history here... the ITM 
(Irregular Terrain Model) is basically Longley-Rice with some modifactions made by 
George Hufford at the ITS in Boulder, CO. For those not up on propagation models, this 
was the de-facto standard in propagation
modeling reccomended by the FCC until a few years ago. It predicts with a typical 
standard deviation of 10-14 dB. Longley Rice is a semi-empirical model and does not 
require feeding in drive test data to "calibrate" it. Most other tools on the market 
use a completely impiracal slope-intercept model like Cost231, Hata, Lee, Okumura, or 
derviations of these. These models are
simply far-field, straight line models that are "tuned" by going out and setting up 
test transmitters, driving around and collecting signal strengths, then inputting 
these into a tuning algorithm which makes adjustments to the slope and intercept 
points until the line "best-fits" the collection of data. Lump sum losses can also be 
added in "post-prediction" to try to make up
for things like clutter losses. These models, depending on the engineer who tunes 
them, can have accuracies as low as 7 dB, but this is rare. Typically, standard 
deviations are from 9-14 dB. To achieve lower, it requires extreme care in setting up 
and conducting the drive test, and to be accurate for every site in a system, a 
seperate drive test must be conducted for each
site. In my opinion, if you are going to drive every site, why do you then want to go 
and approximate what you already know is there. It doesn't make much sense, but then 
most people who use these models obviously are not too concerned with accuracy or 
simply don't know any better.

Now, I'm no dBPlanner fan, and in fact am a direct competitor to them, but I feel that 
I must defend them on this matter. dBPlanner, in its infancy, used only one model, the 
CRC-PREDICT created by Dr. James Whittaker of the Communications Research Center in 
Canada. This model is a truly predictive model based on the theories of physical 
optics (Freznell-Kirchoff wave front
base on Huygens Pricliple for those who care). It predicts with typical accuracies of 
5dB standard deviation or better when used with high resoution (30m) terrain and 
clutter databases. It requires no drive testing for "calibration". There are only two 
tools in the world which currently use this model, dBPlanner and our tool Athena. 
dBPlanner has since sold themselves short,
and inspite of hiring Dr. Whitaker away from the CRC to help them, they went ahead and 
implemented several slope-intercept models as well. They still call the CRC-PREDICT 
their "flag ship" model, but the others are available if one chooses to use them.

Now, if you are still reading, you may be wondering why others have not implemented 
the CRC model if it is truly superior. There are several reasons. First, most of the 
RF tools on the market were written by programmers and not engineers. It is doubtful 
that there are even people within these organizations who even understand the true 
nature of propagation modeling or could
explain what the differences are in modeling techniques. Second, it is expensive to 
reprogram a tool to use such a model. It requires knowing what the model is doing 
which brings us back to the first point. Third, everyone sells their tool as the most 
accurate (especailly if the client buys some additional engineering services to drive 
test and tune the models). If these
companies start selling a tool which doesn't require drive testing, they are going to 
loose a lot of revenue. Fourth, if they admit the CRC is a better solution, their 
clients may jump to one of the tools who already implements it instead of waiting 
around for them to implement it. Fifth, and perhaps most important, Marconi has 
arranged an exclusive licencing arrangement with
the CRC so nobody else can license source code. Since our license predates their 
license and we have a sub-licensalbe source code license, we are currently the only 
source in the world to obtain the model. We don't give it away and most of these 
companies won't pay for a model despite the accuracy.

So, to say the freeware provided in the previously mentioned links predicts just like 
the "expensive" tools is incorrect. However, if I didn't have a tool and were looking 
to run some predictions on one or two sites, the Radio Mobile Freeware would not be a 
bad choice. I would trust its results over an uncalibrated slope intercept model any 
day. My suggestion would be to use
as high a resulotion terrain as it allows...currently the SRTM data which itself is 
quite expensive outside the US. Also, the program does not account for clutter which 
can have dramatic effects on the propagation attenuation. So, my advise is....be 
careful in depending on these results for any high level engineering.

Cameron Crum



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>         There used to be a freeware utility @ CPLUS.Org I went there today and it 
>looks like a different company. This program lets you bring in DEM files and performs 
>radio predictions just like the expensive programs like dB Planner. Luckily I saved 
>the program and the website for future reference. I can upload it to my FTP server if 
>you would like to try it out.
>
>         Jerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juanse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:19 AM
> To: MapInfo; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MI-L Off Topic: ham radio modeling over open source
>
> Hi every one and sorry before hand for this off topic requirement
>
> Under a non profit organization sponsoring we are developing an internet access 
>system for isolated school based on ham radio data transmition. On this effort we are 
>looking for any info regarding the siting of antenas /repeater. We would like to 
>explore the modeling of the signal taking care of topography to define the best 
>arquitecture to supply all school at least cost.
>
> We have 1:50.000 digital topographic maps of the study area, and it available either 
>through mapinfo/vertical mapper or postgis/mapserver.
>
> Under our preliminary research there are a couple of comertial software on the range 
>of US$500 to US$5000, and some basic possibilities under opensource (like splat 
>http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/splat.html).
> SPLAT! imports topographic data in the form of SPLAT Data Files (SDFs) that may be 
>generated from a
>
> number of information sources. In the United States, SPLAT Data Files are most often 
>derived from U.S.
>
> Geological Survey Digital Elevation Models (DEMs) using the usgs2sdf utility 
>included with SPLAT!.
>
> Any one know of  tools to derive DEM like the ones need by splat SDF from contour 
>lines?
>
> Any one knows of other open source tool that could be usefull for our purposes?
>
> Sincerely
>
> Juanse
>
> temuko-Chile
>
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