>>It doesn't fit nearly as well since it has a utility focus via the
net. This may not be wrong but we and likely others still have roots in
the desktop "mostly" stand alone design.<<

I am not sure I understand your concern. I use MapXtreme 2004 only for
desktop and like it a lot. Much better than the old MapX and with a very
nice new object model. As I can see it (can't see everything:) MapXtreme
2004 is the most advanced (but not difficult to develop with) mapping
component available on the market.

>>And as far as I can tell that business model for a developer, a low
cost component engine, is also going away? I hope not.<<

As I recall both the sdk and licensing cost is about the double of MapX.
But with MapXtreme 2004 you only need one SDK, where MapX needed a SDK
for every different solution you created. So if you create many
different solution to a few customers its cheaper than the old MapX.

>>It allowed us to step back from proprietary MapBasic and related
limitations allowing us to move deeper into the component design as well
as XML data structures.<<

I cry every time Peter H.M. puts MapBasic jobs on my desk (because he
thinks it more funny doing GIS in the Caribbean, Trinidad).


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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Havermale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MI-L An earily Christmas, the .NETx partner model?


I am going to start this out by saying that I have been in the "Partner"
matrix with MapInfo from the days when yellow boxes were the big
marketing innovation and MapInfo for Windows turned GIS industry on its
ear.  I am looking forward to MapInfo's next step technology and
marketing lift with the same enthusiasm.  (And I will bet that the .NET
innovations to be revealed in the pending MapInfo Professional 8.0 will
again set the pace for desktop mapping and GIS sciences. The stuff will
first work and work reliably, and secondly, its implementation will set
the quality bar for wise
development.) But I have a couple of questions that are vexing me and
possibly others in partnership.

A number of us jumped on the vision of MapX when it was unpopular and
likely an internal distraction. Well that risk is soon to become the
core future technology as far as I can discern... yes, .NET is not COM
but one lead to the next. Why did I endorse the MapX design?  Simply it
fit our business model far better technically as well as economically.
It allowed us to step back from proprietary MapBasic and related
limitations allowing us to move deeper into the component design as well
as XML data structures.  MapX also had a licensing design that allowed
us to dream of MapInfo engined solutions that didn't require us to give
up the lion's share of value to the mapping engine.  Volume was the hope
for the MapX team and us (if wishes were fishes).  I am still
optimistic.

So now I face the uncertainty of the emerging desktopped .NET solution
from MapInfo.  MapBasic legacies will be provided for but MapX.COM will
come to its maintenance end in the Spring and will go into full
retirement some time later. And MapX code will not readily transform to
.NET (change is good I have to remind myself). And as far as I can tell
that business model for a developer, a low cost component engine, is
also going away? I hope not.

So what do we know?  At this time if the question is asked you are
directed towards the MapXtream.NET version and licensing solution. It
doesn't fit nearly as well since it has a utility focus via the net.
This may not be wrong but we and likely others still have roots in the
desktop "mostly" stand alone design (I like the idea of racing out to
the net for free data or enterprised map servers). Assuming 8.0+
development partners will face "runtime" licensing based on current
MapBasic/Runtime design, that cost structure is also a significant
jump... it alters the value added entry point to at least a 3X list over
simply the runtime license.  Not much room where competition comes in at
the cost of the runtime. The legacy MapX licensing structure allowed
such low-cost verticalized "fat-buttoned" solutions. Agreed you had to
be willing to put your $ where your mouth was.

So I was wondering if anyone might share concerns and or insights on
this partnering and business model question?  Good things come to those
that wait could be one solution, but not when it is Godot.  This is
likely a sensitive issue and I will be happy to summarize thoughts
without reference - I'll take the lumps if necessary.

MidNight Mapper
Aka neil 

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