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Hi Jim
 
Several of our programs, such as Maps4Site contain the conversion. I could take out the basic conversion into a DLL that could be called from MapBasic, and provide this free of charge as a download on our website and MUGUKI.
 
Let me know if this would be of use. Due to other commitments I would not be able to undertake the small amount of work needed for about a week. This would be a function that you could pass BNG node and get back WGS84 node. Also the reverse. You would need to add your own code to get the coords for each polygon, polyline etc.  
 
Patrick at Blue Marble talks about Transformation. Unless he has the look up table from Ordnance Survey embedded into his code he cannot undertake the OSTN02 correction to get accurate results. As detailed below this is not just formulae. The correction includes "historic errors". This is why MapInfo gets the Transformation wrong and you are seeing your eleven metre errors. The look up tables contain a correction for X,Y and Z for each 1 kilometre grid square within Great Britain.
 
 
Regards
 
 
Bob
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: [MI-L] OT - UK Trig Points

Hi Bob and list,
 
Following on from the discussion below could I ask if you or anyone else on the list knows how to convert polygons from BNG into WGS84 using the definitive correction Bob mentioned below?
 
The problem is that while we use GPS derived WGS 84 points, lines and polygons in field mapping, we occasionally also get OS data in BNG.
 
As we are based in Scotland when I open a BNG and a WGS 84 table in mapinfo the BNG data is offset by about 11 meters to the South West due to the one transformation that Mapinfo uses and the offset that is built in due to the historic features in BNG.
 
Does anyone know if there is any way to convert a mapinfo table with the definitive correction mentioned below?
 
TIA
 
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From: Bob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2006 14:48
To: Tim Smith; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MI-L] OT - UK Trig Points

Hi Tim
 
There is a convertor on the OS site at GPS.GOV.UK.
 
If you have Landline or MasterMap, particularly post PAI, this will give you very accurate Easting and Northing for any feature identifiable in your car park. Stats on accuracy of post PAI also on the website, but you are likely to be within a metre. You could use chainage and offset between two identifiable points to pick up other non-identifiable points.
 
The free convertor will correct this BNG position to GPS lat long, for anywhere within the Country (GB).
 
The method for the conversion is also available on the site, so its possible to program British National Grid  Easting,Northing to Lat Long WGS84 ( ie GPS) or WGS84 to British National Grid Easting Northing.
 
Its a great resource, and the only definitive correction, as only Ordnance Survey know where British National Grid is accurately! The correction is not just formulae. It uses a "look up" table that takes into account historic "features" of BNG which have to be taken into account to get correlation with GPS ( eg Use of old County Series maps and "features" introduced when these were stitched together to form BNG).
 
My understanding is that Trig Points are no longer used in any OS Survey work and are therefore not maintained. I would therefore not recommend their use.
 
Regards
 
Bob Young
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: [MI-L] OT - UK Trig Points

Hi List.
 
Does anyone know the best way to get an exact arbitrary lat/long position?
 
e.g. I want to know the exact lat/long at a point in our carpark without using GPS. Are there any free resources that can give me a detailed aerial photo that gives accurate lat/long readings?
 
How accurate are UK trig points?
 
Kind regards
 
Tim
 
 


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