On May 17, 2012, at 17:49 , Arun C Murthy wrote:

> Currently YARN doesn't offer anything to manage a DAG of applications.

Well, there is the following webpage:
http://hadoop.apache.org/common/docs/r0.23.1/hadoop-yarn/hadoop-yarn-site/YARN.html

which suggests that YARN supports a dag of MR jobs within a YARN application 
(second paragraph, last sentence).  True, it is a dag of jobs within an 
application, not a dag of applications, but that wasn't really my original 
question.  My question was how the dag structure offered by YARN differs from 
that offered by Oozie.

It doesn't seem like the responses to my question so far have adequately 
reconciled Oozie's dag of jobs with YARN's dag of jobs.  To the contrary, the 
only response I've gotten so far seems to suggest that the webpage above is 
simply wrong and YARN offers no form of multi-job dag at all; no response in 
this thread has confirmed it for example.

> It's fairly easy to implement a DAGApplicationMaster to manage a set of 
> applications (whether MR or others).

Right, but that applies to whole applications.  Isn't a dag *of* jobs within an 
application rather analogous to what Oozie does?  Bear in mind, that is the 
entire premise of my original question (the degree of similarity between these 
two multi-job dag coordination systems).  The distinction between jobs and 
applications is only relevant after the relationship to Oozie has been 
established, since that was my original question.

I'm really sorry about the apparent misunderstanding.  I didn't intend any 
confusion on the matter.  I simply read the webpage at all and was immediately 
curious about its implications for Oozie, that's all.

> Arun
> 
> PS: Please use mapreduce-dev@ for technical discussions, general@ is used for 
> project discussions/announcements. Thanks.


Oof, sorry about that.  It's hard to move a thread mid-discussion of course 
since that messes up the archives and I still don't feel that the text on the 
webpage quoted above, which clearly describes YARN's dag of jobs, has been 
addressed, so I'm carrying on for the sake of "the historical record", but I 
apologize for not targeting my question at the most relevant mailing list.  A 
mailing list named "general" struck me as, well, general, but I must have 
misinterpreted it.

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