Marcin Cieslak schrieb:
> After a failure to install API database on ptolemy in reasonable amount 
> of time, I have come to conclusion that we might not need full API database
> (ca. ~1 TB) for now, not at least for production Wikimedia use.
May I ask you where you got this dump from? It's not an official one, is it?

> What Wikimedia might need is the Mapnik database (ca. 70GB for rendering)
> - this is what we have now on Cassini (although outdated - but see 
> neighbouring 
> thread).
> 
> Full API database - once *finally* imported - would have been probably more
> useful for tool developers, hacking properties and some other features
> of geodata (maybe even history). 
Yes, it is! It may be the only way to get some historic information 
needed, to eg. show a changeset in some kind of cool diff-view or to 
develop smart changeset-revert tools (see [1] and [2] for this problem, 
the OSM-API does not and will in the near future not provide this kind 
of information).

> However, only Ptolemy (currently WMF production server) has disk space
> available for the whole API database; I do not see - but I might be wrong
> - currently use for this database (except for genering mapnik DB out of it)
> - for the WMF production environment.
I do not see either. If Ptolemy won't be accessible by cassini and it's 
only task will be serving the mapnik render with gis-data, then I don't 
think we'll that much HD-Space on it. I'm unsure about the remaining 
system configuration (e.g. ptolemy has 8GB more RAM).

> So we might have add disk space to Cassini to have space for the full API
> database, and start importing it there. But... Maybe we could just switch
> servers?  (i.e. current Cassini reconfigure as WMF-production Ptolemy and
> current Ptolemy reinstall as a toolserver database).
Yes, please do this!

> Sure, it will require stopping tools for a while and do some IP (or maybe
> even rack-juggling) but maybe it's the solution.
I don't think there are too many *live* tools on cassini (although there 
may be some in development stage).

> We might alternatively give up on full database API altogether
> and just run Mapnik DB on the Ptolemy as we have.
The simple question is: do we want tools that can play with the history 
of osm-objects or not. If we want, we'll have to supply the necessary data.

Peter

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