I know, i've removed what i Need to keep private before posting but i
forgot to remove the original phrases

In the original email there were some ip adresses that must not be
disclosed but i've changed the email a bit...

Il giorno dom 11 nov 2018, 12:38 Alexandros Kosiaris <
[email protected]> ha scritto:

> Just as an fyi, you sent this to a public list, so anything you wanted to
> keep private is now fully public. It's also archived and the archive is
> public and probably already mirrored by other sites.
>
> Στις Κυρ, 11 Νοε 2018, 10:45 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gandalf Corvotempesta <
> [email protected]> έγραψε:
>
>> Il giorno mer 3 ott 2018 alle ore 23:19 Guillaume Lederrey
>> <[email protected]> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > Hello !
>> >
>> > I'm working on the maps infrastructure for Wikimedia Maps. As guessed
>> > by Eugene, we don't pregenerate tiles. You can find some info on our
>> > infrastructure on wikitech [1] (as always, documentation should be
>> > better than it is).
>>
>> Hi.
>> Sorry for the late reply and sorry to reach you in private, but I have
>> some
>> questions that I prefere to not make public.
>>
>> > We generate vector tiles that we store in Cassandra, regenerating
>> > those vector tiles when we import changes from OSM. Raster tiles
>> > (.png) are generated on the fly from the vector tiles and cached by
>> > Varnish. That rasterization process is cheap, so some level of cache
>> > miss are not an issue. That being said, please don't try to download
>> > all our tiles by iterating over them!
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> > We don't provide dumps of our vector tiles either, as this is not that
>> > helpful, since you would still have to build the rendering
>> > infrastructure. At that point, you're probably better off building the
>> > full stack.
>>
>> What do you use to build the vector tiles ?
>> Do you directly start for OSM dumps ?
>> What we are looking for is something pre-generated so that we don't
>> have to extract the whole OSM dump (we don't have enough computing
>> power to parse that huge file). It would be ok, for us, to have an updated
>> mbtiles that will be rendered and cached on-the-fly (we already have tried
>> that with success, but we are unable to find an updated mbtiles dump
>> and, as wrote above, we are unable to generate that dumps on own own)
>>
>> > Options that might work for you:
>> >
>> > * Have a proxy on your side that would cache our tiles. Depending on
>> > your access patterns and the cache duration, this might be enough.
>>
>> We also tried that by using cloudflare (keep the following private):
>>
>> $ curl -I
>> https://thumbnails.take2me.it/w_256/h_256/url/https://maps.wikimedia.org/osm-intl/12/2191/1490.png
>> HTTP/2 200
>> date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 08:32:10 GMT
>> content-type: image/jpeg
>> content-length: 15128
>> set-cookie: __cfduid=d44f565b88a285b2334ea1699eddca8461541925130;
>> expires=Mon, 11-Nov-19 08:32:10 GMT; path=/; domain=.take2me.it;
>> HttpOnly
>> cache-control: max-age=31536000, public
>> expires: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:31:49 GMT
>> last-modified: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 08:31:49 GMT
>> cf-cache-status: HIT
>> expect-ct: max-age=604800,
>> report-uri="https://report-uri.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/beacon/expect-ct";
>> server: cloudflare
>> cf-ray: 477f68222d554334-MXP
>>
>> as you can see, it's a cache hit (1 year) from cloudflare, so that
>> tile would be fetched from cloudflare and not from your server.
>> Probably, by respecting your actual cache expire (1day) we can have an
>> always updated map.
>>
>> How much time do you need to update your maps with updated data from
>> OSM ? 1 day ? 1 Month? Just to know...
>>
>> By caching your tiles has some advantages (almost-zero infrastructure
>> on our side) but also some disadvantage: we can't change the style.
>> Any suggestion on how to generate raster tiles (are much faster to
>> elaborate than vectors, on some smartphones) without having to
>> generate the mbtiles from raw OSM data ? Are wrote above, we can't
>> handle that huge file and the only MBTiles I have found is 1 year old,
>> in example:
>> https://openmaptiles.com/downloads/tileset/osm/europe/albania/?usage=education
>>
>> So, to recap: we are able to cache your tiles on our side, but we
>> would like to generate our own raster tiles. We are able to generate
>> raster tiles on our own, starting from a pre-computed mbtiles, but
>> that file is outdated. How can we generate (or download) an updated
>> mbtiles
>> without using the whole OSM dump?
>>
>>
>> Another thing to keep private:
>> we are using your maps on our procution site. If I tell you the
>> referral, could you please set that as whitelist
>> (or at least, warn me before any suspensions ? We don't want to see
>> our website down because you dropped our
>> access to your maps)
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>> Alessandro.
>>
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