Hi,

I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for MapServer is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI checks is to test 2 versions of PHP, but I suspect this could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps using https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php). For AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA.

(GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic architectures, in particular ARM64, which aren't available on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided budget for that, so that's OK for it)

Even

Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on Travis, completely switching to GitHub Actions would be another item it would be good to add to the MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote. There were some previous discussions about this in 2020 [1]. Since then GHA seems to have advanced whilst Travis has stagnated. In addition MapCache switched away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of. As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer run and PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't already in GHA [2].

Seth

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html
[2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274
[3] https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

For 2023, some of the funds were used for the Travis subscription for mapserver which is $828/yr (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over. Project funds do not.


Mike



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*From: *Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
*To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>
*Cc: *Even Rouault <even.roua...@spatialys.com>, Seth G <se...@geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>
*Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning


Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s? Problem is that we don't have a project bank account.


There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in March 2022 that looks to have come in via OSGeo via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that email if you'd like.


--Steve


On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000 USD. Yes you can
    request more than that but there should be a plan for the
    additional amounts voted by PSC.


    Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it was mostly in 2021
    and a bit in 2022).


    Mike



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    *From: *Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com>
    *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
    *To: *Even Rouault <even.roua...@spatialys.com>, Michael Smith
    <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>
    *Cc: *Seth G <se...@geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs
    <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>
    *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning


     Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The question becomes how
    much to allocate in each instance. I guess some basic questions
    I'd have (and maybe Mike knows) are:

     1. What's that standard per project budget allocation from
        OSGeo? I thought it was something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
     2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond that? The 2020
        budget referenced earlier in the thread was submitted to the
        board but it was pretty clear there was no opportunity to
        secure funding beyond that base amount.
     3. We have some $'s that have been donated via Paypal. I don't
        know the amount but there should be at least $1,000 available
        and that could be considered as another means of paying for
        this work. Again, Mike do you know what the MapServer balance
        is via the donate button?
     4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate this years' standard
        budget allocation to this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd
        like to know what our options are. We've not done a good job
        of taking advantage of the OSGeo funds available, even if
        they are somewhat limited.

    Seth, what level of support do you think you'd need?


    --Steve



    On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault via MapServer-dev
    <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:


        Hi Seth,

        thanks for putting that together. The 2 topics (workshop and
        CITE tests)
        look like excellent topics to be budgeted.

        Even

        Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via MapServer-dev a écrit :
        > Hi all,
        >
        > I've created a draft page for the budget at
        https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
        >
        > I've also created two wiki pages for two items I'd like to
        work on next year, and to request some funds to help set
        aside time to work on them. Both were discussed with other
        members of the PSC at the recent OSGeo Community Sprint:
        >
        > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at
        https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024
        > This would target FOSS4G Europe next year. The deadline for
        submission is January 14th 2024 so it would be good to sort
        out a budget as soon as possible to be able to submit.
        Workshops are 4 hours in length.
        >
        > Automating and refreshing the MapServer OGC CITE tests -
        see
        https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests
        >
        > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
        >
        > Seth
        > --
        > web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
        > twitter: @geographika
        >
        > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G wrote:
        >> Hi all,
        >>
        >> A wiki page sounds a good start. Increased test coverage
        and OGC Maps
        >> support would be two items I'd like to propose.
        >> We could also maybe use a GitHub Discussions poll to allow
        users to
        >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing?
        >>
        >> I think any unused funds for the year remain with OSGeo
        and can't be
        >> used for future years. Is it an option to get a 2023
        budget approved to
        >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
        >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna next week, and 5
        of the PSC
        >> members will be there so we could arrange a PSC meeting
        and sign things
        >> off quite quickly.
        >>
        >> Seth
        >>
        >> --
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        >> twitter: @geographika
        >>
        >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via
        MapServer-dev wrote:
        >>> This is a good idea and something that we haven't done in
        some time.
        >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
        >>>
        (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget)
        that
        >>> was put together as an ask from the board. If I recall
        correctly, they
        >>> basically only allocated the normal per project amount to
        the project.
        >>> That's funding we've not taken explicit advantage of most
        years
        >>> although I don't know what happens to those $'s if they
        go unclaimed.
        >>> There is also a donation balance that could/should be
        tapped to fund
        >>> activities.
        >>>
        >>> --Steve
        >>>
        >>> -----Original Message-----
        >>> From: MapServer-dev
        <mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf
        >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
        >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
        >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List'
        <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>
        >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
        >>>
        >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users, packagers,
        promoters, all),
        >>>
        >>> I see other projects beginning early discussions on
        planning for 2024
        >>> budget spending.  I would like to start a wiki page for
        the 2024 budget
        >>> for MapServer.  I am planning on including those items
        >>> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as
        releases,
        >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure maintenance, and
        documentation, as
        >>> well as source code contributions (in other words,
        including the full
        >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget).
        >>>
        >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create a realistic budget
        for MapServer,
        >>> and then share that publicly with the FOSS4G community. 
        I think we'd
        >>> be happily surprised that organizations are willing to
        support the
        >>> sustainability of MapServer. Worst-case scenario is that
        we have a
        >>> publicly available realistic view of the cost of keeping
        MapServer
        >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we can expand upon in
        future years.
        >>>
        >>> Happy to read other thoughts here, from everyone
        passionate about MapServer.
        >>>
        >>> thanks!
        >>>
        >>> -jeff
        >>>
        >>> --
        >>> Jeff McKenna
        >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, & offering MapServer
        Consulting/Dev
        >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
        >>>
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