Flavio, Thank you very much for sharing. Just like Mike's, your information is also very helpful. I really appreciate it. Follow your link, I see a rich inventory of web services offered by ESRI, which are available through ARCGIS Server API interface. If I understand it correctly, I need to have ARC GIS Server in order to use those web services in my web application or in my smart phone application developed with SDK. Do let me know if I am wrong. The use of Map Service Layers created with MapServer on the other hand doesn't require any expensive software. However, there is no big player like ESRI to compile a list of MapServer map service layers out there in the world. This leads to my other question. I know I can load MapServer map service layers into all kinds of desktop clients such as UDig, QGIS, etc. How about service layers created by ARCGIS Server? Can I do the same thing?
Regard, Ya -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: mapserver-users Digest, Vol 54, Issue 5 Send mapserver-users mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mapserver-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. One template for every text type (Andrea Peri) 2. MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Wang, Ya) 3. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH) 4. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Wang, Ya) 5. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Mr. Puneet Kishor) 6. World file creation (Jeff Lake) 7. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Flavio Hendry) 8. Re: wms_accessconstraints (Stephan Mei?l) 9. Re: Mapserver docs and i18n (Yves Jacolin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:42:24 +0200 From: Andrea Peri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [mapserver-users] One template for every text type Message-ID: <cabqtjk_mo6oppd_yf4mwba-mo8vvm+blhrdtzv0cjblw--c...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, As report from documentation, MapServer will allow to define a template to set the return from an identify. I need to define almost two distinct kind of returns: One for user (text/plain or text/html) and one for business application (text/xml). So I like to define not only a template for return an XML but also a template for return an html page. I don't know how to say to MapServer what template us for text/html and what for text/xml. Is this possibile ? Thx. -- ----------------- Andrea Peri . . . . . . . . . qwerty ????? ----------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-users/attachments/20120704/13fe054b/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:50:56 +0000 From: "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello All, I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server? Thanks in advance! Ya ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:25:27 +0000 From: "Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH" <[email protected]> To: "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Message-ID: <cc19108a.2e23a%[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ya, MapServer is cgi (or fastcgi). So it doesn't hold data in memory like ArcGIS Server does. Also, each MapServer session (since its cgi) is independent of each other so there is no service to go down. As long as Apache is running, so is MapServer. I find that MapServer scales much better for large numbers of request and multiple maps. ArcGIS Server does well with smaller data sets and less services (due to ram issues). ArcGIS server can be faster to start with, since you are composing your maps graphically, but I find the MapServer mapfile editing much (much) faster for repetitive operations. I can script and copy/paste and (with includes) reuse more styling. With ArcGIS Server, for anything other that setting basic colors, I find it much slower and quite tedious. I find that MapServer works at small or large scale, I run into issues with ArcGIS server at large scales (lots of data and lots of services). Then there is the fact that ArcGIS will change on you over time and the whole architecture can go away and any time. In the time we have been doing MapServer (coming up on 12 years now), ESRI has gone through 6 different (and incompatible) web mapping engines. Our mapserver stuff still works. Something to think about when you are in it for the long haul. Also, when something critical has come up and I need a fix NOW, I have both made my own code changes and requested fixes from the community and had responses within hours (sometimes minutes). That is just not possible with ArcGIS Server. MapServer has a truly impressive community with both enthusiasts and mature business providing development and support (MapGears and Gateway Geomatics are two that I am very familiar with and they are top notch). We are a government agency and MapServer is production code for us, for over a decade. And we serve out a lot of data with it. Mike -- Michael Smith US Army Corps Remote Sensing GIS/Center On 7/3/12 8:50 PM, "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello All, > >I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and >ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the >fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less >expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server? > > > >Thanks in advance! > >Ya > > >_______________________________________________ >mapserver-users mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:33:30 +0000 From: "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]> To: "'Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH'" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mike: Thank you very much for the sharing. It is really great information. I have another question now. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server in terms of providing API or service layers to support the enthusiasm of the online development community? Regards, Ya -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:26 PM To: Wang, Ya; [email protected] Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Ya, MapServer is cgi (or fastcgi). So it doesn't hold data in memory like ArcGIS Server does. Also, each MapServer session (since its cgi) is independent of each other so there is no service to go down. As long as Apache is running, so is MapServer. I find that MapServer scales much better for large numbers of request and multiple maps. ArcGIS Server does well with smaller data sets and less services (due to ram issues). ArcGIS server can be faster to start with, since you are composing your maps graphically, but I find the MapServer mapfile editing much (much) faster for repetitive operations. I can script and copy/paste and (with includes) reuse more styling. With ArcGIS Server, for anything other that setting basic colors, I find it much slower and quite tedious. I find that MapServer works at small or large scale, I run into issues with ArcGIS server at large scales (lots of data and lots of services). Then there is the fact that ArcGIS will change on you over time and the whole architecture can go away and any time. In the time we have been doing MapServer (coming up on 12 years now), ESRI has gone through 6 different (and incompatible) web mapping engines. Our mapserver stuff still works. Something to think about when you are in it for the long haul. Also, when something critical has come up and I need a fix NOW, I have both made my own code changes and requested fixes from the community and had responses within hours (sometimes minutes). That is just not possible with ArcGIS Server. MapServer has a truly impressive community with both enthusiasts and mature business providing development and support (MapGears and Gateway Geomatics are two that I am very familiar with and they are top notch). We are a government agency and MapServer is production code for us, for over a decade. And we serve out a lot of data with it. Mike -- Michael Smith US Army Corps Remote Sensing GIS/Center On 7/3/12 8:50 PM, "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello All, > >I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and >ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the >fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less >expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server? > > > >Thanks in advance! > >Ya > > >_______________________________________________ >mapserver-users mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 06:15:20 +0530 From: "Mr. Puneet Kishor" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Wang, Ya wrote: > Mike: > Thank you very much for the sharing. It is really great information. I have > another question now. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server in terms > of providing API or service layers to support the enthusiasm of the online > development community? > .. Why don't you summarize for us how and what ArcGIS Server provides in terms of "API or service layers" and how it supports the enthusiasm of its online development community? That knowledge would benefit several of us, I believe. Also, try asking the same question on the ArcGIS Server email list, if there is one, and then summarize the responses you get there. I would be very curious to read those. Finally, wrt MapServer's programming hooks and APIs, have you visited the docs at http://mapserver.org? Lots of great, entirely community developed information there. Remember, no one owns MapServer -- you and I and others and everyone owns it. -- Puneet Kishor ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:27:57 -0400 From: Jeff Lake <[email protected]> To: MapServer <[email protected]> Subject: [mapserver-users] World file creation Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Maybe I'm not searching on the correct terms. But what is the magic formula for creating world files ?? I have a map of the US with the following projection info ullat=53.3638 ullon=-130.964 lrlat=18.2977 lrlon=-69.1058 sp1=0 sp2=39 cm=-95.5 rlat=36.5 width=640 height=480 projection=lambert now how on earth do you figure the meter per pixel?? prefer php, but guess I could convert -- -Jeff Lake MichiganWxSystem.com WeatherMichigan.net TheWeatherCenter.net GRLevelXStuff.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:13:29 +0200 From: Flavio Hendry <[email protected]> To: "Wang, Ya" <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "'Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Ya I agree on everything Mike said. On the API question I must say that ESRI (finally) has done a great job. All kind of APIs are available free of charge and make it really easy to develop apps, see: http://resources.arcgis.com/content/arcgisserver/web-apis Here an app we created with the JS API (City of Bern): http://map.bern.ch/stadtplan/index_en.htm In addition they have SDKs for creating apps for iOS, Android and Windows Phone ... The city of Zurich has done a pretty good iPhone App, even with routing for bike and pedestrians ... look for zuriplan (only in German I think) ... Mit freundlichem Gruss / Best regards Flavio Hendry ---------------------------------------------------------------- TYDAC Inc. - http://www.tydac.ch Web Mapping - http://www.mapserver.ch Swiss Maps - http://www.mapplus.ch ---------------------------------------------------------------- ############ Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Kind Regards ############ Flavio Hendry, CEO - mailto:[email protected] ############ TYDAC AG - http://www.tydac.ch #### #### Geographic Information Solutions #### #### Optingenstrasse 27 -- CH-3013 Bern ############ Tel +41 (0)31 368 0180 - Fax +41 (0)31 368 1860 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.mapplus.ch/adr/bern/optingenstrasse/27 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:45:39 +0200 From: Stephan Mei?l <[email protected]> To: Bjarne Fagerbakke <[email protected]> Cc: mapserver-users <[email protected]>, "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] wms_accessconstraints Message-ID: <1341395140.2844.64.camel@io> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 10:19 +0200, Bjarne Fagerbakke wrote: > ? > Hi, > > I am reading in the mapserver > documentation http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-75.html that > mapserver 6.2 supports accessconstraints as described below. > > "wms_accessconstraints" "None" #value according ISO 19115 > (MD_RestrictionCode codelist) or default "None" > > Do you have an example showing how to implement use of a codelist? > > Best regards, > > City of Oslo, > Agency for Planning and Building Services > > Bjarne Fagerbakke Hi Bjarne, please copy the mapserver-users mailing list so that everybody can benefit from the discussion. Regarding your question, the comment is meant to explain that you have to provide the value for the parameter by yourself. You might want to look up a particular value in the codelist established in ISO 19115 as those are the values mandated by INSPIRE AFAIK. HTH, Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Yves Jacolin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] Mapserver docs and i18n Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, Thanks Thomas it is interesting to get I18n directly inside Sphinx. I know that other project are going to use it also, as QGIS. Interesting because QGIS project will use Pootle with GitHub [1]. Contributor can work on the translation either via Pottl, text file or Ktranslator (or any application working on translation file). The drawbacks is that it needs works from translator to move their translation to the new system. It is better to choose quickly wich way we choose because I have some file in my file (almost all mapfile section has been translated). I have no opinion at this moment because I can help translating MapServer doc directly via GitHub but it seems that some people are enjoying working with Pootle as it really simplifies the process. I will probably use the QGIS pootle infrastructure also. @Thomas: I am using diff file for GDAL translation and it is quiet easy to see what have been changed. Thanks anyway, Y. [1] http://translate.qgis.org/ -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/Mapserver-docs-and-i18n-tp4985714p4985969.html Sent from the Mapserver - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ mapserver-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users End of mapserver-users Digest, Vol 54, Issue 5 ********************************************** _______________________________________________ mapserver-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users
