On 2/7/12 8:24 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Alessandro Vesely
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:35 AM
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Subject: [marf] Automatic Responses, was VERP

RFC3834 appears to be about how to write auto-responders like vacation
services.  In fact Section 3.2.1 suggests that there are cases where
not using it is the right thing to do (DSNs, for example), and I think
ARF is one of those cases.
I think we ought to write that on the spec, otherwise it will be
debatable forever.

   Report generators are not automatic responders in the sense of
   Section 3.2.1 of [RFC3834]

would work for me.
Does anyone else think this is necessary?  I don't think RFC3834 covers what 
we're doing here at all, so I don't think we need to be concerned about 
possible debate on the topic.

Hmm. RFC3834 identifies three classes of responders, among which Group Responders:

    -  "Group Responders" exist to make automatic responses on behalf of
       any of a significant set of recipient addresses (say, every
       recipient in a particular DNS domain), in advance of, or in lieu
       of, a response from the actual recipient.  Group Responders are
       similar to Personal Responders except that in the case of a Group
       Responder the criteria for responding are not set on a per-
       recipient basis.  A "virus scanner" program that filtered all mail
       sent to any recipient on a particular server, and sent responses
       when a message was rejected or delivered in an altered form, might
       be an example of a Group Responder.

This sounds a bit like the type of feedback we're talking about in the context of ARF (and DMARC for example). And as some of the topics, discussed in RFC3834, might be discussed also for ARF (loop prevention etc.) I'm not sure RFC3834 can completely be ignored.

If however we all agree that RFC3834 has no relationship to ARF, then let's explicitly mention this, as Alessandro proposed.

/rolf
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