On Friday, February 10, 2012 04:33:57 PM Alessandro Vesely wrote:
...
> >> That the domain part of abuse-mailboxes should not be
> >> SPF-protected would be a new, somewhat obscure requirement, that
> >> is not going to improve SPF adoption.
> >
> > 
> >
> > I don't agree. I don't see such a requirement.
> 
> If some leased addresses can get (soft)fail for ISP.example, the ISP
> needs to scan outgoing SMTP transactions --if they are not cyphered--
> in order to avoid non-reportable cases.  Otherwise a bot-master could
> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> from those addresses and get
> away with it.
> 
> (And that assuming that ISPs don't publish abuse-mailboxes for the
> sole purpose of keeping admin and technical contacts clear of spam
> complaints.)
...

I think you are mixing things together that are separate.

I do think it's up to a network owner (such as an ISP) to police their IP 
space.  If they don't want mail using their domain name to be sent out of 
their network except through their official MTAs, they can prevent that easily 
enough.

The problem though is it's difficult to reliable separate this case from 
generic 
SPF non-pass conditions, so I don't think we should create a space for an 
unreliable solution to a problem that network operators can solve on their own 
if they care to.

None of this has any impact on the SPF status of the postmaster inbox.  The 
message we are discussing here that didn't pass SPF was the original one 
believed to be abusive.  That's got no bearing on the SPF status of any report 
to postmaster@.  That's completely separate.

I can see having an discussion about should postmaster addresses filter/reject 
based on SPF, but I don't think anything we are doing in the MARF group has 
any impact on the answer to that question.

Scott K
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