On Monday, February 13, 2012 07:09:20 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, February 13, 2012 06:05:25 PM Barry Leiba wrote: > > A couple of weeks ago-ish, I started working-group last call on the > > > > subject document, and said this: > > > Please do not > > > wait until the last minute, and especially do not wait until the > > > document goes to the IESG. You will be beaten with a rubber > > > truncheon. > > > > It seems that I do need to get out my truncheon. > > > > John Levine and Steve Atkins did, indeed, wait until the last minute. > > Despite participation in the last-call conversation, they provided > > *major* edits to the editor (1) off list, and (2) after WGLC ended. > > > > Now, I'm not one to hold a line, at least not at this point, and say > > that we won't consider useful input because an arbitrary deadline > > wasn't met. At the same time, this sort of behaviour is abusive to > > the working group. It abuses process, it abuses the chair's desire to > > accommodate all reasonable input, and, most significantly, it shows a > > complete lack of respect for the time and effort of the other > > participants. We spent ten days hashing out what some thought were > > the final details of an almost-done document, only to find that a > > couple of participants thought it proper to do significant rewrites at > > the last minute and without discussing them with the group. > > > > Everyone: My interest in accommodating everyone's input and allowing > > for busy schedules that include things other than MARF participation > > is getting a bit frayed. > > > > I consider that the AS document is back to "active document" state. > > We will continue discussing it. We will come to rough consensus on > > all, some, or none of the recent changes. WHen we've decided where > > the working group as a collective roughitude stands on it, we will > > re-do working-group last call. And we will expect that discussion > > will quickly converge so that we can send this to the IESG before the > > Paris IETF meeting. > > > > And we will NOT do this sort of thing again. > > > > Barry, as increasingly annoyed chair > > OK. I've invested all the time I intend to invest in this draft within the > working group. I'll read it again when it hits IETF last call then. I > don't have time for this.
I've gone back and re-read Barry's mail and while I'm frustrated, I'm backing off from my last statement. You've got my review of the proposed changeset. It's got a few things worth using, but on the whole, I think it worsens the document. Scott K _______________________________________________ marf mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/marf
