On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Emily Gonyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think Dave's point was that we missed an opportunity to keep > Cinnamon as GNOME 3 - because at one point it was GNOME 3.x with > extensions piled on. They have since forked and are truly a separate > Well, the thing is that GNOME 3 is considered the design and look of GNOME 3. It's the default package. You could argue that GNOME 3 + extensions changing the look is not GNOME 3 from a branding issue. Consider that Apple's look is very distinctive. You can look at a computer running OSX and know it is running OSX. In this case, Cinnamon is not GNOME 3 from that perspective. Now, it si GNOME 3 in that uses the GNOME 3 platform but it's not what its designers consider GNOME 3. Now I agree that it would be great to say Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3 as it shows what a flexible platform GNOME 3 is that it can be modified to be so distinctive. > project now, but that wasn't always the case. If we had made it clear > that they & their users were still using GNOME 3, we might have been > able to bring them into the larger GNOME tent and kept them from > forking and going their separate way. Just because someone is using > extensions doesn't mean they aren't using GNOME 3, any more than my > use of HTTPS Everywhere, AdBlock Plus, etc in Firefox & Chromium make > them different browsers. > > We seem to be in a strange place where we are competing against our own software modified by others - Mate and Cinnamon both who have gotten marketshare. sri > Emily > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:12 PM, William Jon McCann > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Dave Neary <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, > >> because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the > >> project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has > >> either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not > got > >> clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For > >> instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that > >> Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME > >> project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community > (and > >> I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - > >> developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). > > > > > > Let's be clear then. Cinnamon is not GNOME 3. The discussion of brand > was in > > relation to the stability of extensions and the impact on the user > > experience - and was taken out of context. Neither of these have led to > > missed opportunities. Continuing to misrepresent or misunderstand what we > > are trying to do and trying to say doesn't help us communicate our > vision, > > does it? > > > > Jon > > > > > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > > > -- > Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > power and magic in it. - Goethe > > Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > > Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > -- > marketing-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >
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