Also according to this:

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/153447-10-tech-skills-which-will-give-you-a-big-salary.html

a cloudstack engineer makes as much as an openstack one :)

> On Feb 12, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Raja Pullela <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> +1, hope we can get more concerted effort in talking about Cloudstack! 
> BTW, few users do blog consistently… but there are lot more users, who can 
> share their experience/case studies!
> From: Tim Mackey [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 6:58 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RightScale 2016 State of the Cloud Report
>  
> +100 to skip the hype.
>  
> I've always believed touting "how we compare" is disingenuous to adopters. It 
> assumes we aspire to be like someone else. I feel if we focus on core 
> strengths (the what) and highlighting what people have solved by using us 
> (the why), then people will start to draw their own comparisons. 
>  
> As someone who's been the face of a product the Gartner folks deem "niche" 
> (XenServer in case readers aren't familiar) for some years, I'm happy with 
> focusing on the niche and ensuring those who'e adopted XenServer are 
> successful as a result of that choice. Their advocacy is worth its weight in 
> gold, and I rather like that Apache CloudStack events have users talking 
> openly about their successes. I feel we need to find ways to increase the 
> reach of those user messages.
>  
> -tim
>  
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Chip Childers <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> +1 to what both Giles and Ian are saying.
>  
> Skip the hype. Focus on real value being seen by users. Educate, don't 
> confuse.
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Ian Rae <[email protected]> wrote:
> Absolutely Giles. With the Citrix exit from the community it is time for the 
> large users and commercial supporters to reboot the effort to build an Apache 
> CloudStack related marketing alliance. This can be done as a lean and agile 
> effort, and is less about having a hype machine and more about sharing 
> information with the world on key use cases, success stories, etc…. That 
> CloudStack is the dark matter of the open source cloud computing world is of 
> benefit to none.
>  
> I realize most analysts and certainly much of the OpenStack community would 
> prefer Apache CloudStack to remain in obscurity but in the real world it has 
> sustainable and defensible value for use cases that OpenStack, and other 
> vendor driven projects are unable to effectively address.
>  
> CloudOps has always believed the market is not an either/or proposition. We 
> have a responsibility to make the capabilities and key use cases widely 
> known, especially since the Apache Foundation cannot do it. We need to work 
> on this now.
>  
> Ian
>  
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Giles Sirett <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Ilya - I agree 100% - this is a really good testament to the quality of our 
> software and the effort by this community
> 
> Although it gauls me slightly to have to caveat everything with "despite the 
> marketing" and "despite the committer base"
> 
> 
> We here all know that Cloudstack is the "invisible man" in this space. We all 
> know its in widespread adoption but it continues to not get the attention of 
> AN Other project
> 
> 
> This can be changed, but we are a user led community. It can be changed by 
> our largescale users coming out and showing their public support for this 
> project. We also need more vendors to relaise that Cloudstack integration is 
> a decent route to market for their products - but that wont start until that 
> user community starts speaking publically
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Giles
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ilya [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: 10 February 2016 22:11
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RightScale 2016 State of the Cloud Report
> 
> Here is the latest State of the Cloud Report
> 
> http://assets.rightscale.com/uploads/pdfs/RightScale-2016-State-of-the-Cloud-Report.pdf
> 
> 
> My thoughts: while initially, it may seem that CloudStack is about 4-7% 
> margin behind OpenStack, considering that:
> 1) Marketing budget is at least 500 times less
> 2) Active committer base is 30 times smaller
> 3) Overall resources are at least 100 times less And some fairly large sized 
> CCP customers failed to participate in this survey.
> 
> With limited resources we've got and numbers we showed, we are doing REALLY 
> WELL! I think it is a testament to job well done by everyone involved in ACS 
> community and beyond!
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