Okay, how does employing google analytics pass the vendor-neutrality test?! Which, yes, I've lamented in the past on these lists. But frankly, I think I'd rather you tell everybody on the planet my email address without my express permission, than position google analytics as vendor-neutral.
How about piwik? -- *​Matt* On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Right now we are using Google Analytics, but the configuration is > messed up. I'm open to suggestions of alternatives. But I think > assuming the feature set of GA is safe. > > As for what we want to share there, I don't know yet. Immediately, I > can think of: > > - Overall traffic (so we can spot trends) > - Traffic graphs for blog posts (page views over time) > - Top referers to our various properties (helps us to target our promotion) > - Search terms bringing people to the blog, docs, etc (so we know > what's resonating) > - Top countries, languages (so we know who our audience for events, etc) > - Browser stats (so we have an idea of who to target with our product and > site) > > Can you think of any other stats we'd want? We don't have to list them > all here right away. We can discuss specific stats as we need or want > to share them. But good to get a general impression of what we think > is acceptable now. > > On 1 May 2014 23:10, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: > > Agree to all and will restate what I said before: "Web Analytics" is too > > broad, we need to define that term more narrowly, at which point I think > > we can share only aggregate technical info and avoid anything that > > attempts to get into individual demographics as pure conjecture only. > > > > -Joan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy Wenk" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:32:33 PM > > Subject: Re: Sharing data with third-parties > > > > Hi Noah, > > > > +1 for your suggestions where and with whom to share the for 1), 2), 3) > and > > 4). > > > > Cheers > > > > Andy > > > > > > On 1 May 2014 20:50, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Marketing team, > >> > >> I'd like to discuss the privacy of data the project collects, so we > >> know what can be shared on the lists, and with interested > >> third-parties. > >> > >> I'd like to cover these types of data: > >> > >> 1) Download stats > >> 2) Web analytics for the website and the blog > >> 3) Size of the mailing lists > >> 4) Composition of the mailing lists > >> > >> Here's what that data can be used for: > >> > >> (1) and (2) can be used to measure popularity of CouchDB and how our > >> marketing efforts and releases have an impact on the project. > >> > >> (3) can be used to get a sense of how big the community is, and how > >> that is changing over time. > >> > >> (4) can be used to get demographic information. There are plenty of > >> tools that will mine information from a list of email addresses, > >> linking people up with employers, LinkedIn profiles, and other social > >> media. > >> > >> Now, as far as I am concerned: > >> > >> (1) is fine and I am happy sharing that on this list. > >> > >> (2) should be for committers by default only, but relevant info can be > >> posted if it helps us in our marketing efforts. Popular page views, > >> specific page views, paths/clicktrails, browser demographics, and so > >> on. > >> > >> But what about information like location, age, gender, interests and > >> so on (which you can get from some analytics tools). I think we'd have > >> to make sure that whatever was being shared publicly was 1) actually > >> useful to us and needed to be shared, and 2) heavily aggregated so as > >> not to cause any privacy concerns. > >> > >> (I am more interested in doing the right thing here than I am getting > >> around the legalities of the situation.) > >> > >> (3) is fine, and we share this every three months already in our board > >> reports. > >> > >> (4) seems like something that ought to be confidential and not shared > >> with anyone outside of the PMC for any purpose. > >> > >> If we shared (4) with anyone, we'd have to share it with everyone, per > >> our strict vendor neutral position. And there is already a strong > >> consensus on the internal ASF press@ list that this is out of the > >> question. > >> > >> What do other people think? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> -- > >> Noah Slater > >> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy Wenk > > Hamburg - Germany > > RockIt! > > > > http://www.couchdb-buch.de > > http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de > > > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > > > > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater >
