Hello Ian, > Le 28/08/2011 12:30, Ian Lynch a écrit : > First let's be clear that there is a whole range of different types of > certification. Certifying trainers or organisatons is not the same as > certifying end-users or developers or the quality of a product. In about 3 > weeks time I travel with Manfred Reiter and Alexandro Colorado to Ecuador to > train trainers for OpenOffice.org certification for end users in schools > across Panama, Columbia, Ecuador and Peru. This is because the client > specifically asked for OpenOffice.org certification but I suspect that is > probably more a brand knowledge issue than related to the specific software > that they use. I would like to suggest to them that if they achieve a > certificate with OpenOffice.org we put the OOo logo on the certificate (we > already got clearance for this from Oracle) and if with LibreOffice, the > LibO logo. Alexandro got the client originally through the OOo certification > project but I think there is no wish to do anything but share benefits > fairly. Really it needs to be the client's decision. We will be putting the > OOo name and logo on the handbook and again we could do that for LibO too > but the handbook will be printed soon so we need to know quite soon if that > is OK with the LO community. The idea is that we can give back a donation to > either project based on the number of certificates issued.
Who would be in charge of checking the number of certificates? > > We can just go ahead with OOo as the differences from an end-user > perspective are negligible, ... for now :) > but IMHO that misses a marketing opportunity for > LibO and I think we should be even-handed and inform people of the > differences so they can decide if that results in a preference as to the > software they use. Again informed choice is the objective. The training > provider we are going to train has 1575 centres but to start with we will be > providing for a small number then building. This somewhat sounds like the TDF certification, but I might be mistaken. The certification programme is currently being built as you know. > This is just one provider and we > have plans to extend to others. It's taken us about 5 years of development > to get to this point and probably ~ 2 million Euros of investment so if you > don't have experience of certification in general, don't assume it is > trivially simple to do ;-). No one does here, I think. It is crucially important to get it right for TDF, but we also want to do this on our own terms. > > At this stage the certification is for end-users and conforms to the UK > regulatory requirements for competence based vocational qualifications and > is referenced to the EU Qualifications Framework, the biggest reference > system for national qualifications frameworks in the world. I may not fully understand what kind of certification you're talking about. Now we're talking about end-users but I did perceive in your comments above that this is also about "training the trainers", isn't it? > It is not > possible to get public funding for training courses in many countries if > qualifications are not referenced to the national system so apart from > credible quality assurance, there are financial practical reasons for > gaining official accreditation. > > So my question is whether the community would like us to help promote LibO > through this initiative? With the ASF there is a method of "lazy consensus" > ie if you make a proposal and no-one objects after a period it is deemed to > be accepted. Here I think I need some +1s from TDF members at least. If not > I'll assume it's not what is wanted and just focus on the certification as > OOo specific. We are in the process of developing our own certification. I would suggest that if you wish to receive a clear answer you post your specific request to the steering-discuss@ list. Best, Charles. > > The specific proposal is to use the LibO logo on end user certificates and > the name and logo on the handbook with full acknowledgement of trade marks > etc. There will be a payment back to the community for each certificate > issued carrying a LibO logo - I can't be precise at the moment as we are > still working out costs but it is likely to be around 50 cents to a dollar > per certificate. We are trying to keep costs down to get maximum reach to > less economically risk nations. High volume will make the marketing > dimension more effective. > > On 28 August 2011 05:44, Danishka Navin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> " Organizations will earn a certified status if they employ or contract at >> least 3 certified individuals, each one with a different specialization. " >> >> in addition to the above technical requirement we could set a fee to get a >> training partnership from TDF. >> As we know local trainers can get the advantage of TDF and Libo brand name. >> So, we could set an annual fee for each partner and discounts as per the >> volume of products (trainings) selling. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Danishka Navin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> What is the latest status on this project? >>> >>> Can we commence this soon? >>> I can see a potential from my community as well. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Italo Vignoli <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The document is on the wiki. >>>> >>>> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**TDFCertification< >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification> >>>> >>>> This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free >>>> software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one >> of >>>> the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for the >>>> code. >>>> >>>> Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be >>>> on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real >>>> project after a long incubation. >>>> >>>> Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions. >>>> >>>> Ciao, Italo >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Italo Vignoli >>>> [email protected] >>>> mobile +39.348.5653829 >>>> VoIP +39.02.320621813 >>>> skype italovignoli >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** >>>> libreoffice.org <marketing%[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** >>>> Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/ >> <http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/> >>>> >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Danishka Navin >>> http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com >>> http://twitter.com/danishkanavin >>> http://identi.ca/danishka >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Danishka Navin >> http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com >> http://twitter.com/danishkanavin >> http://identi.ca/danishka >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
