Yes, and???????

Charles
Le 18 juin 2012 20:10, "Tom Davies" <[email protected]> a écrit :

> Hi :)
> Volunteer led?
>
> http://www.muktware.com/news/3509/libreoffice-online-will-be-real-competitor-microsoft-office-365
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 18/6/12, Brenden Seibel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Brenden Seibel <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge
> re: AOO
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 17:11
>
> +1 You’re wasting your time. Get working instead.
>
> From: Charles-H.Schulz
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:13:04 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge
> re: AOO
>
> Tom,
>
> Please could you refrain to write anything that comes to your mind, that
> would be appreciated; as for the marketing list, I'd like to remind you
> gentlemen that TDF and the LibreOffice project is a volunteer-led and
> run organization? What this means is that we get to work altogether on a
> marketing message. It's not up to the BoD to define something that
> should be worked on right now. So instead of ranting on why there's no
> marketing message and posting fantastic claims, please work on a
> marketing message actively. If you want to "discuss", please "discuss"
> on the discuss list. This IS the marketing list. Be actors and not
> spectators.
>
> Thanks,
> Charles.
>
> Le lundi 18 juin 2012 à 14:12 +0100, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > Hi Tim :)
> >
> > The best the marketing list can come up with is to say that LO is free
> (which hints at being cheap&nasty) and that their LEAST stable version is
> "for corporate use"
> >
> > Don't hold your breath waiting for anything brilliant from them!
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 18/6/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge
> re: AOO
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 13:44
> >
> >
> > Why not solve this issue on "stable" or not in a different thread.
> >
> > How about the BoD come up with a marketing statement[s] that the local
> > people can use to promote LO to businesses, non-profit organizations,
> > colleges and other schools, and individual users.
> >
> > We need some material we can take to these different type of users that
> > has been professionally made and that will give the users all the facts
> > about LO and why they should use it instead of MSO, and maybe AOO.
> >
> > I would like to have a marketing package that I could hand out copies to
> > the IT people and their bosses, so they have a professional
> > presentation/material to help evaluate and hopefully choose LO for their
> > organization.
> >
> > I am not a marketing expert.  I do not have a sales background.  I bet
> > most of the local people who want to promote LO in their areas are in
> > the same boat as I am.
> >
> > What we need is the marketing materials, including fact sheets, to be
> > able to provide the needed information to potential users, business or
> > other, on the advantages of using LO's free open source office package.
> >
> > I would like to be able to have something beside my opinion on LO to
> > offer these potential users.  LO has been around for over a year, but
> > there is still not good marketing resources available for us local users
> > to promote LO to business in our area.
> >
> > Please get a marketing plan and the copyable materials available to us
> > local/regional promoters.
> >
> >
> > On 06/18/2012 07:52 AM, timofonic timofonic wrote:
> > > Hello Tom...
> > >
> > > Are you a developer? Why using so much analogies? Could you provide
> > > strong facts instead? Please, this is boring and time wasting. It
> > > seems like you only want to be polemical and grow the controversy, but
> > > I hope to be wrong about it. If you say about stable and pre-release
> > > versions, that's a common software releasing way and I don't see your
> > > point here. If you want to discuss the philosophy behind the LO
> > > development model and how to improve it, I think that's a better task
> > > for developers.
> > >
> > > I agree about better file format support (I still think a code sharing
> > > alliance with other projects must be done to make things easier), code
> > > efficiency optimization, constantly improving the code quality, more
> > > robust code and more open about expanding the project to other needs.
> > >
> > > What would "corporate" want? Well, certain corporations like IBM seem
> > > to want to take the full control of the project in a proxy way (and
> > > form a corporately controlled community over it, just like Sun tried
> > > with OpenSolaris and OpenOffice too). Apache is quite passive in that
> > > regard and they adopt corporate owned technologies like Java, in my
> > > opinion (and they become some kind of low cost subcontracted
> > > organization to manage the development). But other corporations "just"
> > > want an a lot lower cost software that meets all their needs (just as
> > > the Linux kernel is for tons of them) and that's the interesting ones
> > > to join forces with.
> > >
> > > Look at Linux Foundation, they managed the equilibrium and still the
> > > kernel is one of the most used pieces of code as basis for tons of
> > > devices from embedded to clusters. Even Linus these days is becoming
> > > grumpy about the years of damaging Nvidia attitude (no hardware
> > > programming documentation, tons of binary blobs and not just related
> > > to their graphics chips...), despite his non-correct political
> > > attitude quite common from the rebel way of the hacker philosophy.
> > >
> > > About friendly corporations, I think this must be formalized in a
> > > dynamical and pragmatic way but also with a good set of lawyers. They
> > > must be formal members of the community in a similar way that Linux
> > > Foundation does with corps :)
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Tom Davies<[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi :)
> > >> The way i see it is that LO always has 2 products.
> > >>
> > >> Lets take LO's equivalent of fine red wine in a market where everyone
> else is restricted to only being able to produce beer.  LOs strategy is to
> claim that it's red wine is "low alcohol" (because wine is about 12%
> whereas whiskey is far higher).  Meanwhile LO is also offering freshly
> squeezed fruit juice but it never mentions about that until you dig around
> the back of the shop.
> > >>
> > >> Regards from
> > >> Tom :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On Mon, 18/6/12, Cor Nouws<[email protected]>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From: Cor Nouws<[email protected]>
> > >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from
> SourceForge re: AOO
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 11:21
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> My customers hate (some) bugs as much as I and we all do. Still, they
> don't dump computers :-)
> > >>
> > >> My customers want better compatibility with .docx, xlsx, and pptx.
> > >> They want a faster Calc, a Base that works, import of Visio, and so
> on.
> > >> They want a office suite that is preparing itself for the future and
> faster solving of bugs.
> > >> Guess what they want ..
> > >>
> > >> It seems as if Tom doesn't know well enough what he is talking about.
> > >> Which if course is a pity when he is taking such strong positions on
> the marketing list.
> > >>
> > >> Tom Davies wrote (18-06-12 11:59)
> > >>> [...]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --  - Cor
> > >>   - http://nl.libreoffice.org
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