Yes, and??????? Charles Le 18 juin 2012 20:10, "Tom Davies" <[email protected]> a écrit :
> Hi :) > Volunteer led? > > http://www.muktware.com/news/3509/libreoffice-online-will-be-real-competitor-microsoft-office-365 > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Mon, 18/6/12, Brenden Seibel <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Brenden Seibel <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge > re: AOO > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 17:11 > > +1 You’re wasting your time. Get working instead. > > From: Charles-H.Schulz > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:13:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge > re: AOO > > Tom, > > Please could you refrain to write anything that comes to your mind, that > would be appreciated; as for the marketing list, I'd like to remind you > gentlemen that TDF and the LibreOffice project is a volunteer-led and > run organization? What this means is that we get to work altogether on a > marketing message. It's not up to the BoD to define something that > should be worked on right now. So instead of ranting on why there's no > marketing message and posting fantastic claims, please work on a > marketing message actively. If you want to "discuss", please "discuss" > on the discuss list. This IS the marketing list. Be actors and not > spectators. > > Thanks, > Charles. > > Le lundi 18 juin 2012 à 14:12 +0100, Tom Davies a écrit : > > Hi Tim :) > > > > The best the marketing list can come up with is to say that LO is free > (which hints at being cheap&nasty) and that their LEAST stable version is > "for corporate use" > > > > Don't hold your breath waiting for anything brilliant from them! > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > --- On Mon, 18/6/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from SourceForge > re: AOO > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 13:44 > > > > > > Why not solve this issue on "stable" or not in a different thread. > > > > How about the BoD come up with a marketing statement[s] that the local > > people can use to promote LO to businesses, non-profit organizations, > > colleges and other schools, and individual users. > > > > We need some material we can take to these different type of users that > > has been professionally made and that will give the users all the facts > > about LO and why they should use it instead of MSO, and maybe AOO. > > > > I would like to have a marketing package that I could hand out copies to > > the IT people and their bosses, so they have a professional > > presentation/material to help evaluate and hopefully choose LO for their > > organization. > > > > I am not a marketing expert. I do not have a sales background. I bet > > most of the local people who want to promote LO in their areas are in > > the same boat as I am. > > > > What we need is the marketing materials, including fact sheets, to be > > able to provide the needed information to potential users, business or > > other, on the advantages of using LO's free open source office package. > > > > I would like to be able to have something beside my opinion on LO to > > offer these potential users. LO has been around for over a year, but > > there is still not good marketing resources available for us local users > > to promote LO to business in our area. > > > > Please get a marketing plan and the copyable materials available to us > > local/regional promoters. > > > > > > On 06/18/2012 07:52 AM, timofonic timofonic wrote: > > > Hello Tom... > > > > > > Are you a developer? Why using so much analogies? Could you provide > > > strong facts instead? Please, this is boring and time wasting. It > > > seems like you only want to be polemical and grow the controversy, but > > > I hope to be wrong about it. If you say about stable and pre-release > > > versions, that's a common software releasing way and I don't see your > > > point here. If you want to discuss the philosophy behind the LO > > > development model and how to improve it, I think that's a better task > > > for developers. > > > > > > I agree about better file format support (I still think a code sharing > > > alliance with other projects must be done to make things easier), code > > > efficiency optimization, constantly improving the code quality, more > > > robust code and more open about expanding the project to other needs. > > > > > > What would "corporate" want? Well, certain corporations like IBM seem > > > to want to take the full control of the project in a proxy way (and > > > form a corporately controlled community over it, just like Sun tried > > > with OpenSolaris and OpenOffice too). Apache is quite passive in that > > > regard and they adopt corporate owned technologies like Java, in my > > > opinion (and they become some kind of low cost subcontracted > > > organization to manage the development). But other corporations "just" > > > want an a lot lower cost software that meets all their needs (just as > > > the Linux kernel is for tons of them) and that's the interesting ones > > > to join forces with. > > > > > > Look at Linux Foundation, they managed the equilibrium and still the > > > kernel is one of the most used pieces of code as basis for tons of > > > devices from embedded to clusters. Even Linus these days is becoming > > > grumpy about the years of damaging Nvidia attitude (no hardware > > > programming documentation, tons of binary blobs and not just related > > > to their graphics chips...), despite his non-correct political > > > attitude quite common from the rebel way of the hacker philosophy. > > > > > > About friendly corporations, I think this must be formalized in a > > > dynamical and pragmatic way but also with a good set of lawyers. They > > > must be formal members of the community in a similar way that Linux > > > Foundation does with corps :) > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Tom Davies<[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Hi :) > > >> The way i see it is that LO always has 2 products. > > >> > > >> Lets take LO's equivalent of fine red wine in a market where everyone > else is restricted to only being able to produce beer. LOs strategy is to > claim that it's red wine is "low alcohol" (because wine is about 12% > whereas whiskey is far higher). Meanwhile LO is also offering freshly > squeezed fruit juice but it never mentions about that until you dig around > the back of the shop. > > >> > > >> Regards from > > >> Tom :) > > >> > > >> > > >> --- On Mon, 18/6/12, Cor Nouws<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> From: Cor Nouws<[email protected]> > > >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest newsletter from > SourceForge re: AOO > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012, 11:21 > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> My customers hate (some) bugs as much as I and we all do. Still, they > don't dump computers :-) > > >> > > >> My customers want better compatibility with .docx, xlsx, and pptx. > > >> They want a faster Calc, a Base that works, import of Visio, and so > on. > > >> They want a office suite that is preparing itself for the future and > faster solving of bugs. > > >> Guess what they want .. > > >> > > >> It seems as if Tom doesn't know well enough what he is talking about. > > >> Which if course is a pity when he is taking such strong positions on > the marketing list. > > >> > > >> Tom Davies wrote (18-06-12 11:59) > > >>> [...] > > >> > > >> > > >> -- - Cor > > >> - http://nl.libreoffice.org > > > >> > > >> > > >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > > >> Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > >> Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > > >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be deleted > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > > >> Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > >> Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > > >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > be deleted > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > [email protected] > > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > > > -- > Charles-H. 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