On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Ryan Lerch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 10:05 PM, Brian Proffitt wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Justin W. Flory < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote: >> >>> There is one reason for using ow.ly <http://ow.ly> URL shortener and >>> that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement >>> with a post. I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded >>> being used if possible. >>> >> >> This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I feel >> like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized to >> collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this thread, do >> we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social media >> engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable resource to >> gauging which of our social media posts are effective and which ones aren't >> as engaged. >> > > That would be me, actually (and Ruth Suehle as well). Pushing links > through the ow.ly link shortener does enable us to track and follow > engagements on individual tweets if we want. > > Because twitter sends all links through their link shortener, this is > possible to track and follow engagements via twitter's web interface too. I > don't see the point of pushing all links through two different link > shorteners that both track and follow engagements, especially to the > detriment of the usability, consistency & readability of our feed overall. > > >> If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be >> disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked, I >> personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where >> information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized. >> > > I am not sure what the main objection here is. Aesthetics of an > unshortened link seems to be one selling point, but when I look at links > from some database-driven content management system sites, I don't see that > as a particularly strong reason. > > > I have several objections. Usability is one -- the latter part of a full > URL (the part that a database driven CMS may automatically produce), is of > less importance than the domain, IMHO. Personally, I know I will make a > decision on what to click on based on the domain, and tend to click on > shortened links a lot less. This part of the previously linked article sums > this up perfectly IMHO -- > http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/#urls-have-meaning > > > Also, while Twitter does automatically shorten though t.co, in practice I > have found that the longer the URL, the more likely someone's outdated > Twitter client or poor use of Twitter RTs and MTs will mangle the URL. > > I am a little unclear on what you mean here. Do older twitter clients > mangle URLs when posting a tweet to the Fedora feed? or when people read > the tweet on an older Twitter client. Also, aren't twitter retweets > automatically generated by twitter (or most clients) when you press the > retweet button? or are you talking about the old practice of prefixing "RT" > in front of a copied tweet that was done before twitter implemented the > retweet functionality over 5 years ago? > Just because that functionality is there, does not mean it is consistently used. I have seen the old-style RT practice still used and still mangling links. > Shortening it first is a better practice, in my experience. > > > That said, using HootSuite's ow.ly is kind of sad, and whenever I can, I > try to use the Red Hat-branded shortener via bit.ly. This works only on > redhat.com domain sites, though, and metrics for engagement have to be > tracked separately, so it's aesthetically nice, but kind of a pain, too. > > This brings up another issue: consistency on our twitter feed -- some > links are shortened with ow.ly, others are not. Not everyone has access > to, or uses hootsuite. > Well, this is an easy fix: tweets from any source should not use link shorteners. Hootsuite users can make that transition with ease and still maintain analytics of tweets. > > regards, > ryanlerch > [Snip] BKP -- Brian Proffitt Principal Community Analyst Open Source and Standards @TheTechScribe 574.383.9BKP
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