Yeah, but his concept of UI is radical different than ours. We want to go bit more innovative. I dont have anything against PRs, but I think that's one created by him shouldn't be merged before our works finish. On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:27 James Cameron <[email protected]> wrote:
> I do not see it as separate, I see it as a useful contest of ideas. > That's what pull requests are for. > > In this case, it has provided a substantial load and render benefit. > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23:50AM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote: > > I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in > improving > > exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... > > On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron <[1][email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes, that version loads faster. > > > > 15.855 seconds for load and render. > > > > 2.824 seconds for render only. > > > > But on your version, the video embedding element "Google Code-In | > > Promotional video on Sugar" is beyond the visible area, only the > > sugarlabs title on black background is visible. > > > > Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a > > rendering delay; > > > > 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, > > > > 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, > > > > Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element > > in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another > site, > > then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. > > > > Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra > > latency of HTTP over SSL (https). > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +0000, Sam P. wrote: > > > I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically > every > > > JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this > > version > > > load faster @Quozl? [1][2]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/ > > www-sugarlabs/ > > > > > > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <[2][3][email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. > > > > > > [3][4]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 > > seconds, > > > (previously 31 seconds), > > > > > > [4][5]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, > > (previously > > > 5 seconds), > > > > > > [5][6]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 > seconds, > > > (previously 14 seconds). > > > > > > [6][7]http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, > > (previously 3.6 > > > seconds), > > > > > > My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and > render > > > since last test on the XO-1. > > > > > > Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? > > > > > > Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for > > > comparison? > > > > > > Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long > time > > > compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't > you > > > include those separate files into the main file? > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to > consider/implement > > them. > > > James > > > > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've > hade > > > significant > > > > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it > now. > > We've done > > > some > > > > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more > cleaner > > now. > > > Please > > > > take a look on this website - [1][7][8]http://tools. > pingdom.com/fpt > > /#!/ > > > csIQSO/ > > > > [8][9]sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > > > > > Again, waiting for your suggestions! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tymon > > > > > > > > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2][9] > > > [10][email protected]> > > > > napisał: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > > > > From: [3][10][11][email protected] > > > > To: [4][11][12][email protected] > > > > Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - > looking > > for > > > opinions > > > > /ideas! > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 > > > > > > > > Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i > am not a > > web > > > > designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to > change. When > > i mean > > > > change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, > he/she > > will be > > > > scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and > that's > > no a > > > good > > > > idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu > > pattern or > > > some > > > > like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// > > > [13]www.projectmudra.com/ > > > > it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a > drop > > down > > > pattern. > > > > The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be > > porting to > > > this > > > > new site what if every thing should be in drop down > pattern > > just like > > > the > > > > [7][13][14]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember > i am > > only > > > suggesting. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Samson Goddy > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 > > > > > From: [8][14][15][email protected] > > > > > To: [9][15][16][email protected] > > > > > CC: [10][16][17][email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - > > looking for > > > > opinions/ideas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. > There was > > no > > > > > real difference. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > please try to visit [1][11][17][18]http:// > sugarlabs.org/ > > ~tymon > > > instead of [2] > > > > http:// > > > > > > [12][18][19]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then > there won't > > be any 304 > > > > redirects. Thank you > > > > > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them > tomorrow. > > > > > > Tymon > > > > > > > > > > > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron > <[3][13] > > > > [19][20][email protected]> > > > > > > napisał: > > > > > > > > > > > > It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer > console > > > > > > screenshots of query load times: > > > > > > > > > > > > [4][14][20][21]http://dev. > laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > > tymon-load-times.png > > > > > > [5][15][21][22]http://dev. > laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > > original-load-times.png > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without > cache, > > and > > > reduce > > > > > > the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also > > identify > > > the > > > > > > network speeds of the target market, and how they > will > > perceive > > > load > > > > > > times. > > > > > > > > > > > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to > read, > > > because > > > > > > there was not enough contrast between the text and > the > > > background. > > > > > > > > > > > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and > > distracting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word > in the > > About > > > > > > section. > > > > > > > > > > > > The style of the embedded activities element is > > inconsistent with > > > the > > > > > > surrounding page style. > > > > > > > > > > > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an > overemphasis > > on > > > history > > > > > > of Sugar, or the history of computing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, good progress. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > James Cameron > > > > > > [6][16][22][23]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > > > > [7][17][23][24][email protected] > > > > > > [8][18][24][25]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/ > > sugar-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > References: > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] [19][25][26]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > > > [2] [20][26][27]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > > > [3] mailto:[21][27][28][email protected] > > > > > > [4] [22][28][29]http://dev.laptop. > org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > > tymon-load-times.png > > > > > > [5] [23][29][30]http://dev.laptop. > org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > > original-load-times.png > > > > > > [6] [24][30][31]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > > > [7] mailto:[25][31][32]Sugar- > [email protected] > > > > > > [8] [26][32][33]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/ > > sugar-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > James Cameron > > > > > [27][33][34]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > > > [28][34][35][email protected] > > > > > [29][35][36]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar- > devel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > > [30][36][37][email protected] > > > > [31][37][38]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar- > devel > > > > > > > > References: > > > > > > > > [1] [38][39]http://tools.pingdom. > com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/ > > ~tymon > > > > [2] mailto:[39][40][email protected] > > > > [3] mailto:[40][41][email protected] > > > > [4] mailto:[41][42][email protected] > > > > [5] [42][43]http://www.projectmudra.com/. > > > > [6] [43][44]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > > [7] [44][45]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > > [8] mailto:[45][46][email protected] > > > > [9] mailto:[46][47][email protected] > > > > [10] mailto:[47][48][email protected] > > > > [11] [48][49]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > [12] [49][50]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > [13] mailto:[50][51][email protected] > > > > [14] [51][52]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > tymon-load-times.png > > > > [15] [52][53]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > original-load-times.png > > > > [16] [53][54]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > [17] mailto:[54][55][email protected] > > > > [18] [55][56]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > [19] [56][57]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > [20] [57][58]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > > [21] mailto:[58][59][email protected] > > > > [22] [59][60]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > tymon-load-times.png > > > > [23] [60][61]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > original-load-times.png > > > > [24] [61][62]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > [25] mailto:[62][63][email protected] > > > > [26] [63][64]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > [27] [64][65]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > [28] mailto:[65][66][email protected] > > > > [29] [66][67]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > [30] mailto:[67][68][email protected] > > > > [31] [68][69]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > -- > > > James Cameron > > > [69][70]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > [70][71][email protected] > > > [71][72]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > References: > > > > > > [1] [73]https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ > > > [2] mailto:[74][email protected] > > > [3] [75]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > > [4] [76]http://sugarlabs.org/ > > > [5] [77]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > > [6] [78]http://sugarlabs.org/ > > > [7] [79]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/ > > > [8] [80]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [9] mailto:[81][email protected] > > > [10] mailto:[82][email protected] > > > [11] mailto:[83][email protected] > > > [12] [84]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > [13] [85]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > [14] mailto:[86][email protected] > > > [15] mailto:[87][email protected] > > > [16] mailto:[88][email protected] > > > [17] [89]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [18] [90]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [19] mailto:[91][email protected] > > > [20] [92]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- > times.png > > > [21] [93]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- > load-times.png > > > [22] [94]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [23] mailto:[95][email protected] > > > [24] [96]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [25] [97]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [26] [98]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [27] mailto:[99][email protected] > > > [28] [100]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- > times.png > > > [29] [101]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- > load-times.png > > > [30] [102]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [31] mailto:[103][email protected] > > > [32] [104]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [33] [105]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [34] mailto:[106][email protected] > > > [35] [107]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [36] mailto:[108][email protected] > > > [37] [109]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [38] [110]http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~ > tymon > > > [39] mailto:[111][email protected] > > > [40] mailto:[112][email protected] > > > [41] mailto:[113][email protected] > > > [42] [114]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > [43] [115]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > [44] [116]http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > > [45] mailto:[117][email protected] > > > [46] mailto:[118][email protected] > > > [47] mailto:[119][email protected] > > > [48] [120]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [49] [121]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [50] mailto:[122][email protected] > > > [51] [123]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- > times.png > > > [52] [124]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- > load-times.png > > > [53] [125]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [54] mailto:[126][email protected] > > > [55] [127]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [56] [128]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [57] [129]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > > [58] mailto:[130][email protected] > > > [59] [131]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load- > times.png > > > [60] [132]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original- > load-times.png > > > [61] [133]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [62] mailto:[134][email protected] > > > [63] [135]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [64] [136]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [65] mailto:[137][email protected] > > > [66] [138]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [67] mailto:[139][email protected] > > > [68] [140]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > [69] [141]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > [70] mailto:[142][email protected] > > > [71] [143]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > [144]http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:[email protected] > > [2] https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ > > [3] mailto:[email protected] > > [4] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > [5] http://sugarlabs.org/ > > [6] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > [7] http://sugarlabs.org/ > > [8] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/ > > [9] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [10] mailto:[email protected] > > [11] mailto:[email protected] > > [12] mailto:[email protected] > > [13] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [14] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [15] mailto:[email protected] > > [16] mailto:[email protected] > > [17] mailto:[email protected] > > [18] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [19] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [20] mailto:[email protected] > > [21] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > [22] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > [23] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [24] mailto:[email protected] > > [25] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [26] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [27] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [28] mailto:[email protected] > > [29] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > [30] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/ > > [31] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [32] mailto:[email protected] > > [33] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [34] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [35] mailto:[email protected] > > [36] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [37] mailto:[email protected] > > [38] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [39] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [40] mailto:[email protected] > > [41] mailto:[email protected] > > [42] mailto:[email protected] > > [43] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [44] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [45] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [46] mailto:[email protected] > > [47] mailto:[email protected] > > [48] mailto:[email protected] > > [49] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [50] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [51] mailto:[email protected] > > [52] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [53] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [54] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [55] mailto:[email protected] > > [56] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [57] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [58] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [59] mailto:[email protected] > > [60] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [61] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [62] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [63] mailto:[email protected] > > [64] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [65] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [66] mailto:[email protected] > > [67] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [68] mailto:[email protected] > > [69] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [70] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [71] mailto:[email protected] > > [72] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [73] https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ > > [74] mailto:[email protected] > > [75] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > [76] http://sugarlabs.org/ > > [77] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ > > [78] http://sugarlabs.org/ > > [79] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/ > > [80] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [81] mailto:[email protected] > > [82] mailto:[email protected] > > [83] mailto:[email protected] > > [84] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [85] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [86] mailto:[email protected] > > [87] mailto:[email protected] > > [88] mailto:[email protected] > > [89] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [90] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [91] mailto:[email protected] > > [92] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [93] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [94] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [95] mailto:[email protected] > > [96] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [97] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [98] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [99] mailto:[email protected] > > [100] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [101] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [102] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [103] mailto:[email protected] > > [104] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [105] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [106] mailto:[email protected] > > [107] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [108] mailto:[email protected] > > [109] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [110] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [111] mailto:[email protected] > > [112] mailto:[email protected] > > [113] mailto:[email protected] > > [114] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [115] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [116] http://www.projectmudra.com/ > > [117] mailto:[email protected] > > [118] mailto:[email protected] > > [119] mailto:[email protected] > > [120] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [121] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [122] mailto:[email protected] > > [123] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [124] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [125] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [126] mailto:[email protected] > > [127] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [128] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [129] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon > > [130] mailto:[email protected] > > [131] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png > > [132] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png > > [133] http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > [134] mailto:[email protected] > > [135] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > 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