> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: marketing@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: unofficial?
> 
> Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> > when I say the icons are _part of the software_, I mean the 
> physical software.
> > This is a contrast to the name, because the name is the 
> _name_ of the software,
> > _not part_ of the physical software.
> 
> I'm not a lawyer, of course. But there is a difference 
> between what the 
> license allows to do with the code and what the trademark 
> policy says. 

Yes

> Or, to state it correctly: the Apache License 
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html section 6 
> says that you 
> cannot use trademarks as you wish 

Yes

> and that you need explicit 
> permission 
> for certain uses. Trademarks, for OpenOffice, include the 
> name and the 
> gulls logo.

OK, but what is the permissible use of AOO? 

Can I make and publish a screenshot of the startup window of AOO? Is this a 
legal
Screenshot:
http://i.computer-bild.de/imgs/5/7/2/2/8/8/0/Neue-Version-von-OpenOffice-4-1-kommt
-mit-einigen-neuen-Funktionen-Das-1024x576-651d0e41862ce7fc.jpg

And if I may, can I just (unedited!) Publish parts of the screenshots? 

And if I may, why then not just the section of the screenshots, the only logo
includes?


> You can find examples of the trademark policy here: 
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#titlefeather ; so for 
> example if someone writes a book about an Apache product he cannot 
> include the Apache feather image in the cover. This is an extreme 
> example; in general, one should ask for permission on a case-by-case 
> basis. You can imagine that we will allow (and, even if not asked, 
> tolerate) that someone uses our trademarks to support the 
> project, while 
> we will deny a request by someone who wants to sell for 99 
> EUR a thing 
> named "Apache OpenOffice Professional" consisting in Apache 
> OpenOffice 
> with some malware added and wants to advertise it using the official 
> images and make it look like as if it was a "premium" version 
> produced 
> by the OpenOffice project. We actively enforce trademarks in order to 
> protect our users and the reputation of OpenOffice.

*Absolutely clear* to me, but the discussion here is not the real issue.


Greetings,
Jörg


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