You left me out of your list.

The more I meet the Ron Paul supporters the more I see that it is a great 
opportunity for libertarians to network with them and educate them.

I thought the interview mainly showed what a complete moron Russert is, how 
completely sclerotic his world view is, what a dark cave his mind lives in

Paul was pretty good at answering his wild laundry list in the way that one 
should on TV, by restating his silly questions


----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Holtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 3:03:29 AM
Subject: [marketliberal] [Libertarian Intelligence] Ron Paul Backslides on Meet 
The Press

Videos and transcript are here. Highlights:

Ever Hear of Payroll Taxes? "If you got rid of the income tax today you'd have 
about as much revenue as, as we had 10 years ago, and the size of government 
wasn't all that bad 10 years ago. So there're sources of revenues other than 
the income tax. You know, you have, you have tariff, excise taxes, user fees, 
highway fees. So, so there's still a lot of money." Paul is either ignorant or 
disingenuous here. As I told PlatCom in August: Income and payroll taxes 
combine to constitute 82% of federal receipts. The kinds of taxes (excises and 
tariffs) that LP candidates (Paul, Browne, Badnarik) talk about keeping make up 
only 5% of federal receipts -- 15% if you include corporate income taxes. We 
shouldn't kid ourselves or others about how much we would be cutting federal 
receipts.

Dondero. Russert quoted Eric Dondero about Paul's reaction to 9/11. Paul 
replied: "Well, I'm, I'm surprised somebody like that who's a disgruntled 
former employee who literally was put out." At Third Party Watch, Dondero 
marshals evidence to dispute Paul's questionable claim that "I’ve been a 
Republican all my life except for that one year that I ran as a Libertarian. " 
Tom Blanton and (Paul critic) Tom Knapp give the obvious rejoinder: Paul was 
talking about years of candidacy, not years of active party membership.

Backsliding.

RUSSERT: "If elected president, Paul says he would abolish public schools, 
welfare, Social Security and farm subsidies."

REP. PAUL: OK, you may have picked that up 20 or 30 years ago, it's not part of 
my platform. As a matter of fact, I'm the only one that really has an interim 
program. Technically, a lot of those functions aren't constitutional.

MR. RUSSERT: It was--when you ran for president in 1988, you called for the 
abolition of public schools. 
REP. PAUL: I, I bet that's a misquote. I, I do not recall that. I'd like to 
know where that came from, because I went... 
MR. RUSSERT: And Social Security? You're OK with Social Security now? 
REP. PAUL: I think we need to get--give--offer the kids the chance to get out. 
But right now, if I don't--if we don't save the money, we can't take care of 
the other. For instance, Social Security, I never voted to spend one penny of 
Social Security money. So I'm the one that has saved it. Now, if I save the 
money in this military operation overseas, I say take that money--and, and I 
say this constantly-- don't turn anybody out on the streets. People we have 
conditioned- -yes, technically we shouldn't have them, and it'd be nice to get 
rid of them, but I would say take care of the people that are dependent on us. 
Let them--and the only way you can do that is cut spending. If we don't, 
they're all going to be out in the street.

Those RPMs you hear are Murray Rothbard spinning in his grave. You can bet that 
none of the 17 radical libertarian Paul supporters I list here will criticize 
Paul for the statements above, that are even too moderate for my taste.

Earmarks and other gotchas. Russert grilled Paul over earmarks, but Paul stuck 
to his guns and somewhat persuasively compared earmarks to tax credits. Paul 
also handled the gotcha on term limits, and defended well his hardcore 
positions on drugs, civil rights laws, and Civil War contrarianism. Russert 
busted Paul for invoking Ronald Reagan even though he's harshly criticized 
Reagan's record. Paul's reply was to distinguish Reagan's campaign philosophy 
and promises from what he was able to accomplish.

Non-GOP Run? 

MR. RUSSERT: If, if you do not win the Republican nomination for president, 
will you run as an independent in 2008? 
REP. PAUL: I have no intention to do that. 
MR. RUSSERT: Absolute promise. 
REP. PAUL: I have no intention of doing that. 
MR. RUSSERT: Well, but no intention's a wiggle word. 
REP. PAUL: Well, OK, I deserve one wiggle now and then, Tim. I mean, what the 
devil... 
MR. RUSSERT: So no--so no Shermanesque statement. 
REP. PAUL: You know, I... 
MR. RUSSERT: "I will not sun as an independent. " 
REP. PAUL: Well, I can be pretty darned sure that I have no intention, no plans 
of doing it, and that's about 99.9 percent. I don't like people who are such 
absolutists, "I will never do this, or I will win, I'm going to come in first." 
I don't like those absolutists terms in politics. 
MR. RUSSERT: But the door's open a little bit. 
REP. PAUL: Not very much. It really isn't.

At TPW, Tom Knapp still claims Paul is virtually certain to claim the LP 
nomination if he doesn't become the GOP frontrunner. Tom, I'll bet you a pizza 
dinner in Denver on that one. 

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Posted By Brian Holtz to Libertarian Intelligence at 12/23/2007 11:25:00 PM 



      
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