Dan Sullivan wrote:

BH) Verily, I am... (BH

DS)  Or, perhaps, incredibly tactless, annoying, self-centered and
disruptive. (DS

Tactless?   I was accused of "hypocrisy" on a public forum (by a moderator
there who calls me a "deformer") and denied the opportunity to defend myself
there.  This is the same forum where the archives still describe me as a
"war pig".  (Quick, quote the worst epithet I've ever used against any
radical.  Go ahead. Make my day.  I never have used one, and never will.
That's just how I roll.)  The moderators there haven't so much as batted an
eyelash at such "piss" being splashed around in the LPradicals "living
room".  I guess some piss is sweeter than others. :-)   Does "tact" require
that I not take an opportunity to defend myself on the sister forum -- the
one that was advertised as an "unmoderated, open, sandbox-style list for
wide open discussion"?

I protested Montoni's charge of "hypocrisy" by demonstrating how it applies
to him.  You recently protested
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpradicals/message/2315>  LP Vice Chair Chuck
Moulton's use of the word "idiotic" by suggesting he may be "lying" and
saying "the LP bureaucracy still has its heads up its assets".  I never
initiate imagery anywhere near that crude, and yet you're lecturing me about
"tact".

Self-centered?  Yes, I defend my self.  I don't see many others volunteering
to do it (with notable exceptions like Starchild and Tom Knapp and Beau
Cain).

Annoying? Disruptive?  I'm indeed perceived that way by many who seem to
feel threatened by what I have to say.  No surprise there.

DS) On the face of the actual, individual post, I would not have banned you.
However, I wondered at the time if you were partly a victim of your
reputation preceding you. This confirms it. (DS

Of course I was.  The question is: what is it about what I write that makes
a radical like Hogarth fear me having posting privileges?  Someone gave the
answer on LPradicals itself last
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpradicals/message/1553> August:

) in my personal experience, the radical problem with Brian is not that he's
unethical or sneaky, but precisely the opposite -- that he's happy to engage
his opponents head-on in open debate, that he's GOOD at it, and that many of
us, not being as good at it as he is, tend to lose ... not because we're
wrong but because we don't argue as well.

That being the case, my argument is "get over it -- GET better at making
radical arguments, because trying to avoid our stronger opponents is NOT the
way to win."

I'm frankly MORE comfortable in arguing in a forum hosted by my opponent,
because doing so forces me to rely on the strength of my arguments rather
than being tempted by shortcuts that may work in one place, but not in
another. You build muscle by lifting weight, not by slinking past the gym
and promising to visit it later. (

(To find out who said it, click the link above soon, before Hogarth deletes
the post from the archive.)

DS) It also suggests that you are clueless about what your reputation is (DS

You may think you know my "reputation", but you don't know the first thing
about me.

I'm the reformer who in Portland protested the de-credentialing of the
radical Starchild by giving him my voting proxy on the floor and then voting
the way he would on every subsequent motion -- against my own reformer
interests.

I'm the reformer who stood up to repeated public threats from a purist that
I'll be "beaten to a bloody pulp" if I didn't delete a blog posting
<http://blog.360.yahoo.com/knowinghumans?p=274>  that satirized that purist
LPCA ExCom member by compiling quotes from him.

I'm the moderate who gave arch-purist LPCA Southern Vice Chair Mark Selzer
technical help in posting the recording that cleared him of the
then-LPCA-moderate-leadership's charges of invoking the state against the
Party -- charges that I had defended before hearing the recording.

I'm the PlatCom reformer rivaled only by the Outright Libertarians Chair as
PlatCom's most
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OutrightLibertarians/message/3111> vocal
defender of gay rights, but who has been repeatedly
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/2530>  and publicly
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/2244>  and demonstrably
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/2249>  lied about by
him and the California Outright coordinator on multiple forums, with never a
single apology or retraction or complaint from a moderator.

If anyone is "clueless" here, it's not me.

DS) Banned from four lists, presumably by at least two different moderators?
Could the problem be you and not them? (DS

Let's see, two of the bannings were by Susan Hogarth, and the other two were
in gay-dominated forums (Outright Libertarians and LP of San Francisco)
where I dared to protest the lies about me by these two Outright leaders.
See the pattern?  Holtz gives evidence to rebut personal attack, gets
banned.  I would ask that you think for yourself and critically examine the
evidence offered by a Libertarian in defense of his reputation, rather than
assuming that two or three moderators might not have ulterior motives.  (On
LPSF-discuss, they also didn't like the success some members admitted I was
having in correcting some myths about intervention in Iraq.)

DS) I moderate several lists as well, and when someone posts a message whose
subject header is an ad hominem attack, I immediately put that person on
moderated status, (DS

And yet, Montoni didn't put himself on moderated status when he first issued
precisely the same "ad hominem attack" against me on a public forum he
moderates and that I'm excluded from.  In fact, using the word "hypocrisy"
is not actually an ad hominem.  And did you hear that scientists recently
discovered that authentic hypocrisy can actually exist in the natural
universe?  They found some hiding right next to the long-sought magnetic
monopole.  :-)

DS) It's not because he is thinking dangerous thoughts, etc., but because he
is pissing in my living room. (DS

So if the subject header is like your "living room", then I guess the
message body is like your outhouse, because you seem to have no problem with
Montoni pissing there.  :-)

DS) I didn't think Susan was right when she did this, but not that I see
this response, I'm guessing she probably was. (DS

And you're probably going to think your (aptly worded) "guess" is confirmed
by the mild sarcasm in this rebuke from me, but at this point I just can't
bring myself to really care whether you can mentally separate the objective
facts from the way this rebuke makes you feel.  You've struck me as
well-spoken and fair-minded and insightful, and your archived royal
<http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html> libertarianism and
green  <http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/greenlibertarians.html>
libertarianism essays recently tipped me into a mindquake epiphany that
confirmed my nascent ecolibertarianism <http://ecolibertarian.org/> .  But
if this is how you operate when someone's reputation is indeed at stake,
then I'm no longer convinced I should seek you out as an ally in trying to
bring the LP around to geolibertarianism. I'm sure I can find more
principled geolibertarians to work with.  After all, there are like 7 or 8
of us now, right? :-)

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