Rob writes!
>The positive consequences of struggle get called rights in Liberal-land. I
>don't care what we call 'em, and I don't care how 'culturally insensitive'
>I'm being. I don't want to share this planet with burned girls and
>butchered women - nor cultures which perpetuate and perpetrate such hideous
>practices. Plenty of Muslems get by without torturing and killing the
women
>amongst 'em, and good on 'em. And plenty of liberals offer immediately
>progressive potential - as long as we're not too bloody precious to go
>along.
Hi Rob..
Well, I don't think any sensible person would want to watch this stuff. But
the point is to change it. The imperialist led UN certainly has no history
of defending women's rights anywhere. And they are responsible for over a
million deaths in Iraq, millions in Vietnam, and how about there
intervention in places like the Congo? To believe that this organization is
capable of anything other then starting a crusade against Islam in the name
of christianity who a few hundred years back were hanging women and burning
them at the stake is just ridiculous. Communists are not liberals and
realize then women's liberation can only be obtained through Socialist
revolution. However not even tactically would we support a humanitarian
intervention into Afghanistan by these imperialist butchers under the banner
of its fileag UN to save women from the Islamic fundamentalists although we
did support the Red Army when it did go in and the entire left condemed!
>And I don't give a toss who did or didn't support the Soviets/Afghans (as
if
>that were ever a monolithic entity, eh?) either.
Why? Because this was in fact the starting point of the final destruction of
the SU. And the situation we find our selves in today.
>As Chris has been arguing with respect to East Timor, some issues need
>instant fixes, and sometimes there just ain't the time to try to bend the
>process to the 'path to revolution'. We're gonna be too late for East
>Timor, I think. We effectively slaughtered its people and dissolved its
>viability. Now, saving lives and ameliorating unimaginable suffering is
all
>we can do. We probably won't, because it doesn't suit those who reign to
do
>so, or it doesn't suit them to take the risks of being quick about it (and
>who knows? They may have a point.). But that doesn't mean ideologically
>sophisticated calls for doing fuckall helped either these poor people or
>whatever we imagine 'the cause' is. How easy it is to demand the UN and
its
>imperialistic agenda stay out, eh? Well, it is if you happen to live in
>Sweden, anyway ...
"Instant fixes" I read as instant opportunism to adapt to the existing
popular front and human rights ideology that has become the main line of the
left these days. And trying to pressure imperialism to do the right thing.
Well history is a bloody good lesson of how quaint imperialism really is and
it has more blood on its hands then anything we have seen in history
including the Islamic fundamentalists. I don't buy this stuff that people
have it better if the UN goes in. And that ideological deviding line which
you call a "fuck all" is the deviding line in history which has devided
reformists and revolutionaries throughout history and still the blood flows.
It also meant the end of the 2nd International.Now in Indonesia and as you
are so fucking quaint to say once and a while tomorrow it might be you or
us!
Over and above this Chros's instant fixes have been support of the peace
frued in Northern Island, the humanitarian intervention of the NATO and UN
in the former Yugoslavia and in general a cheerleader of Tony Blair's third
way which communist realize is noway but political suicide for the working
class and its mass organizations.
>Yours sad'n'grumpy, tailing whatever progressive little vestige I can find
>with all my yellow menshevik heart, and still managing to disagree with
>Chris on details (like what's possible and what might actually be
>progressive in the first place), and a little disappointed at Bob's
>unwarranted 'cretin' comment (nicely restrained reply, comrade Kim!)
Sad and grumpy perhaps! But hardly progressive. And mind you that Kim
started the god damed Spart baiting with his letter aqainst the oh so
horrible Sparts. So he gets and eye for and eye answer with the "cretin"
comment. In fact his first letter to the list was certainly to me a foaming
at the mouth anti Spart diatribe so kiss my tushi on his "restrained" reply.
Warm regards
Bob Malecki
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