>Hi all,
>Being a newcomer on this list, I don't know what you're talking about.  It
>seems to me that we shouldn't be attacking people and we should
>concentrate more on critiquing their ideas in a constructive manner so
>that we can formulate better positions and act in the interest of the
>working class.  Calling people scumbags doesn't help.
>Issam mansour

OK, Issam, we're agreed on the need for constructive policy suggestions,
good positions and acting in the interests of the working class. However,
some of the old-timers here consider the people being attacked (the person
here being Louis Proyect, a well-known character in left cyber-space)
irredeemable sources of destructive criticism, dangerous positions and
disaster to the working class. So they attack them.

We've had some conflicting suggestions from Rob and Bob recently regarding
what should be done to end the horrors -- in Russia, say. What do you think
about their ideas? Do you think either of them is on the way to giving the
working class and its interests a shove in the right direction?

If you had to tell us what three positions you thought were central to good
working class policies today, what would they be?




"Changes dictated by social necessity are sure to work their way sooner or
later, because the imperative wants of society must be satisfied, and
legislation will always be forced to adapt itself to them."

Karl Marx, "The abolition of landed property -- Memorandum for Robert
Applegarth, December 3 1869"


This is published in the Collected Works of Marx and Engels, Vol 23
1871-74, p. 131, under the title of "The Nationalisation of the Land". It
was written in 1872 as notes for Eugene Dupont, the organizer of the
Manchester section of the Working Men's International Association. Dupont's
report at the May 8 meeting of the section was published in the
International Herald on June 15, 1872. This report, which differs slightly
from the notes published in the M-E Archives, is the text published in the
Collected Works.

                        * * *

"Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat
with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle.  The proletariat
of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its
own bourgeoisie."

Communist Manifesto, 1848, end of first section "Bourgeois and Proletarians"

                        * * *

"The world political situation as a whole is chiefly characterized by
a historical crisis of the leadership of the proletariat."

Transitional Programme -- The Death Agony of Capitalism and the Tasks of
the Fourth International, 1938, perhaps the most important programmatic
document for which Trotsky bore major responsibility. Introduction.

                        * * *

And on  a lighter note:

        His lockid, lettered, braw brass collar,
        Shew'd him the gentleman and scholar.
        [Rabbie Burruns, The Twa Dogs, 1.13]

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