Simon writes, poetically: >Our job is not to pull the baby out of the womb. We are the baby, to use >the metaphor, being born. Or rather, we are a butterfly in the making, >reconstituting from a caterpillar via the pupae phase (the political >understanding, i.e. the form) to bursting from the chrysalis as a new >creature by the logic of its own material existence having a series of >historical forms. Trouble is, he wipes out reality and its contradictions with this image of his. If he sees the caterpillar as imperialism, and the butterfly as socialism, then he sees the same creature, the same agent transforming itself. But the class whose interests keep imperialism alive is a different creature, a different agent from socialism. The bourgeoisie will not be poetically transformed into the socialist producing/owning class, it will be abolished. And in abolishing the bourgeoisie, the working-class will also abolish itself. The working-class must act as midwife to get the socialist baby out of the prison of the imperialist womb. Simon's metaphor shows that he understands actual historical economic developments to be natural and ahistorical, the product of one undifferentiated humanity, and not a process determined by class struggle. This is of course equally obvious in his criticism of Dave's presentation of Marx's view of value, in which Simon sees value as the eternal, historically undifferentiated product of human labour (or worse, essence of human labour). This leads to a political line that is compounded of theoretical fatalism (it'll happen as a natural process, inevitably) and its hyperactive counterpart, individual heroics ("we, the heroes, must act since no-one else understands anything). The main expressions of this in the workers movement or on its fringes today are state capitalist currents (which just see the Soviet Union emerging from October as more of the same and bringing no change) and anarchism, petty-bourgeois heroics (usually rhetorical, sometimes terroristic) that shy away from the concrete political problems of understanding, organizing and winning the actual class struggle against the imperialist bourgeoisie. Marx had a reason for preferring human beings to butterflies when he chose his metaphors. Cheers, Hugh --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---