-TH: dialectical nature
Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us 
Tue Jan 12 08:39:07 MST 1999 

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Yes, Gerry,

This is becoming clearer and

With all these claims to
being empirical, Andy
especially has the "ability"
to look at Marx's words
and see the exact opposite
of what is right there
before him. Take the
following from Capital.

"The possessor of money or 
commodities actually turns into
a capitalist in such cases only
where the maaximum sum 
advanced for production greatly
exceeds the maximum of the
middle ages. Here, as in
natural science, is shown the
correctness of the law discovered
by Hegel (in his "Logic"), that 
merely quantitative differences
beyond a certain point pass into
qualitative changes."

Andy somehow thinks this
is different than what 
Engels says. Engels'
"dialectics of nature" is
nothing more than this
type of comment. The 
first page of his notes
entitled "Dialectics of
Nature" mentions this
law and two others.
Marx above uses
the general category
"natural science".


>>> <GerDowning at aol.com> 01/12 3:59 AM >>>

 On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:28:45 -0500 (EST) Gerald Levy <glevy at pratt.edu>
 >If you are really interested in reading a systematic dialectical
 >presentation on nature which is developed as part of a unity with an
 >investigation of the social realm, you should read not Marx or Engels  
 >but Hegel.

 It can be done with nature if one is an idealist.  As a diverse range of
 thinkers like Lukacs, Adorno, Hook, Colletti, Sartre, G.A. Cohen
 and many others have pointed out  diamat smuggles the Hegelian
 God into its concept of matter.  Hence, it scientific pretentions,
 its claim to offer an alternative to metaphysics is quite unfounded.
 Diamat is itself a metaphysics, is itself a theology.
                Jim Farmelant
Gerry D:

It should be noted that none of the above were practical revolutionaries, none
engaged in the class struggle in order to change reality, all regarded Marxism
as academic debate which had no relation to the practical necessities of the
Even  Sartre's political activities consisted in joining and resigning but
never leading. So unsurprisingly they had an IDEALIST, DUALIST approach to
Marxism, not the richness of the MONOIST materialist dialectic, which is as
opposed to religion and metaphysics as Jim is to Marxism.

Gerry D

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