Living in France, I have some problems with this debate. What does it change for you, once Clinton and Obama are head of the American State and so in a position to give orders to the CIA, to "prove" that they had previous contacts with the CIA under a direct or undirect form ? What does it prove ? That the CIA or the Secret services manipulate all word politics ? A kind of Left wing version of Tom Clancy's novels ? Tom Clancy always tries to justify in his books (I'm obliged to read them for my proofreading job in France, so this is why I take this example, and also because it symbolises for me a form of international popular "culture" as it is translated in so many languages and adapted in films) that Secret Services are essential for the defence of "world's democracy". Most of the time his political examples are just hilarious, for anyone who tries to understand the complexity of world politics. But it has one advantage: his vision of the world is quite simple to understand. The USA and Israel through their very efficient secret services save the world and fight the Evil : communism, islamism, terrorism, the KGB/GPU/NKVD/MVD which will never die, Russia, China and Iran, etc. He even pushes his fascination for Secret Services to the extreme: his Presidential hero is a former leader of a kind of private Secret Service.
So all the importance of all this discussion and pseudo information and pseudo "proofs" of Pilger and Co. about Obama and Clinton's links with the CIA look very strange to me. Apart from a left conspirationist point of view (which does not seem to be this list's point of view but which could coincide with Clancy's simplistic view of world politics, with the only difference that everything Clancy praises, left conspirationists despise it) what is the political interest for you of these kind of uncheckable information ? Is there in the United States a significant portion of the population which is naive enough to believe that Clinton and Obama were elected AGAINST the will of the majority of the ruling class, of the ruling circles of the State, of the Secret Services, of the Armed forces, etc. ? So why all this fuss about the CIA ? Le 4/01/10 21:03, « c b » <[email protected]> a écrit : > > CeJ jannuzi > > Actually the youtube title is sensationalistic because in this little > clip you will see Pilger do more analysis of Bushwa and Obama than you > will see watching a year of Wolf Blitzer on CNN--starting with > 'class', which is a term Marxists are familiar with. > > I would be wary of the 'WMR' material that is out there in blogdom, > but Pilger is as always credible and to the point. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lciMExazVqw > > > ^^^^^^^^ > CB: I think he might be a double agent, 'cause he was also the Mau Mau > Candidate ( like the Manchurian Candidate) > > _______________________________________________ > Marxism-Thaxis mailing list > [email protected] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis > _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
