> The point trying to be made in the "same page article" by Sam Webb is how
> to fight things out in real time and why it is impossible to fight on the
> level  of fighting a system. Condemning Obama and the Obama administration is
> an act of  futility and nothing more than sectarianism in the context of
> actually trying to  organize small groups of people to express their struggle
> for survival.

No, I don't think so. We who stand outside the Democratic Party
condemn Obama's warpigism and nonchalance on vital social issues, like
health care for all, because we hope it will prod all those people in
the Democratic Party to fight in their party to get him to stop his
warpigism and to do something about the festering sore that is no
health care for tens of millions of Americans. It might be futile but
it isn't sectarianism. Indeed, the previous arguments were about
choosing Obama over Kucinich or Gravel because the O-man was
'electable'--so was Gore, so was Kerry. At least they were right this
time--O was electable. Now the question is: is he movable?

Are you sure it isn't something you smoked? I see nothing glorious
about these times.

We have to remember that the parties are not really mass membership
parties in a parliamentary system. So the question for the future is
still how do we create alternative realities to this miserable warpig
two-party system? If there is an ideological component it is in
shattering this delusion that working class America has about its
religion being the nation and its transcendance being to serve its
warpigism.


CJ

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