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Thanks, that makes sense as far as the miners go. However they are not the only working class in the region. How about workers in the Ukrainian arms industry, closely integrated with the Russian arms industry: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-07/putin-eyes-ukrainian-arms-prize-as-troops-build-up-along-border.html I'd caution about tossing around the word "fascists" in the manner of our opponents, until actual fascist organizations can be identified. We have Pravy Sektor and the youth arm of Svoboda, but I've not seen actual fascist *organizations* identified amongst the Donbas militias. I don't mean individuals such as A. Dugin - more of a Russian "neo-con" than a fascist - or "Cossacks", unless we are to label all so-called Cossacks, whom I thought had been wiped out anyway, as "fascists". Putin is already starting to backpedal: Ukraine crisis: Russia's Putin 'backs' 25 May election Breaking news Russia's President Vladimir Putin says Ukraine's presidential election on 25 May is a step "in the right direction". But he said the 25 May vote would decide nothing unless the rights of "all citizens" are protected. Mr Putin also urged pro-Russian activists in south-eastern Ukraine to call off a series of independence referendums planned for this weekend. It comes amid high tension between Russia and Kiev, and its allies in the West, over the crisis in Ukraine. Russia has been accused of backing pro-Moscow activists in a bid to try and break up the country and annex more regions after Crimea. Moscow says it will protect the rights of the largely Russian-speaking people in the south and east against what it calls an undemocratic government in Kiev. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27314816 I'm seeing preliminary signs of backpedaling from various sides. EXCEPT in Washington, D.C., where the approach remains the same. With reference to "Golden Dawn on the crisis in Ukraine", the question is begged: What IS the US up to in Ukraine and Europe more generally? I'm not seeing much serious address on this here on Marxmail beyond snark. Consequentially it is left to our opponents to fill in their answer. You know my answer: Strategically, drive a wedge between further Russo-German economic integration. The US will halt and change course when Germany finally says stop, the US will not risk its ties with Germany - unless the looney bin called Congress steps in and mucks it up. But the US will have already achieved a slowdown or interruption of such ties, administered another hit to its German competition, plus it has concocted a new atmosphere of a "new cold war" to replace the other wars Washington is winding down. To this extent the US is not only an active driver for civil conflict in Ukraine, it is the most active driver for conflict there. It makes sense as the US has the least to lose in this situation. None of which is good for the working class struggle. -Matt ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com