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On May 26, 2014, at 3:40 PM, "Einde O'Callaghan via Marxism" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > My memory from my Latin lessons is that the word order was: "Delenda est > Carthago" That's certainly much better Latin, but the phrase has been cited for a long time, at least in the Anglophone world, with 'est' at the end. I dimly remember years ago reading a fascinating history of this development (well, it fascinated me, anyway; others may prefer to read about Trotsky In Norway, the subject of a recent book mentioned here). Can't recall now who wrote the history of brutish old Cato's tag, or any of the details. Quomodo ceciderunt potentates! > - I believe that "th" was used in classical Latin to represent > the sound of the Greek letter "theta", which was similar to the > voiceless "th" sound in English. Also the aspirated but un-spirantized 't' (compare the 't' sounds in English 'teen' and Spanish 'latino'). Which was, of course, also the original realization of theta. The sages are divided about just when it turned from an aspirate to a spirant. I was taught to read Homer with the aspirate pronunciation -- for chi and phi too -- which was deeply confusing to an American ear (American English has no un-aspirated voiceless stops, except in clusters). Now that I'm out of school for good, I use the spirant renderings with great self-indulgent pleasure. Even to this day I feel that I'm doing something delightfully louche. > And Zizek would definitely merit a "delendus"! Wouldn't he just. More than Carthage, actually. Michael Smith [email protected] A man should take care not to be made a proverb; and, therefore, should avoid having any one topick of which people can say, "We shall hear him upon it." --Dr J ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
