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Thanks so much for all this.
Re state intervention: I'll have to go back and read the part in Brothers
Reuther about their stay in the Soviet Union, I assume it had the same
impact you describe for others.
Thanks for the book order form -- Amazon has only one copy for $185!!!
And thanks for the many references.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Paul Flewers via Marxism <
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> Further to Andy P's reference to my book, The New Civilisation?, and his
> comment 'Is there anything akin to this focused specifically on US dupes?,
> there is Frank Warren's Liberals and Communism: The 'Red Decade' Revisited
> (Columbia Uni Press), originally published in 1966, which looks at some
> length at The Nation and The New Republic and other magazines in the 1930s.
> I found it an informative work. The former fellow-traveller Eugene Lyons
> published in 1941 The Red Decade: The Stalinist Penetration of America,
> which, as suggested by the title, is an agitational anti-communist work,
> but it does contain quite a bit of useful information. David Caute's The
> Fellow Travellers and Paul Hollander's Political Pilgrims look, from a left
> and right-wing perspective respectively at pro-Soviet individuals,
> including many US ones.
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> One thing I noticed when reading through the many descriptions of the
> Soviet Union that were published here which has resonated in the light of
> the rival descriptions of what's happening in Ukraine today is that reading
> anti-Soviet and pro-Soviet material I had the distinct impression that the
> authors were describing two entirely different countries, so different were
> their descriptions. Reading the many rival reports on the Maidan protests
> and the separatist movements and various other aspects of Ukraine today, I
> feel that we are getting descriptions of two entirely different places,
> almost like parallel dimensions.
>
> To return to my book, where I feel that it is also useful is that I managed
> to go beyond the usual view of the 1930s attitudes towards the Soviet Union
> of consisting solely of diametrically-opposed pro-Soviet and anti-communist
> viewpoints, and -- as Geoff Foote pointed out in his review -- described
> what I call the 'centre ground', that is, a broad swathe of opinion, from
> moderate Tories through to right-wing and centre social democrats, who,
> whilst strongly rejecting Marxism and workers' revolution (and the
> Stalinist interpretations of them), looked to Soviet state economic and
> social welfare policies as something from which Western governments could
> learn. This was, of course, in the context of the vivid contrast between
> Western economic slump and the massive growth under the initial Five-Year
> Plans.
>
> Various authors have looked in passing at how the Soviet economic and
> welfare measures were looked at in Britain, and others have looked, at some
> length, at the rise of the idea of state intervention in Britain between
> the world wars, but none, as far as I know, has systematically brought the
> two factors into a single framework of analysis. I imagine that attitudes
> towards the New Deal and related state interventionist policies have been
> thoroughly investigated in the USA, although whether researchers have done
> for the USA what I have done in respect of Britain, I'm unable to say. I
> imagine that the situation in the USA was similar to that in Britain, and
> that it went beyond the clash of uncritical pro-Soviet and totally
> rejectionist anti-Soviet viewpoints.
>
> I researched and wrote my book, of course, many decades after the event and
> in the light of subsequent knowledge, and it was thus much easier to
> ascertain what were worthwhile reports and assessments and which were
> tendentious or wishful thinking, and to discover that the usual perception
> of the 1930s debate as a mere clash of anti-Soviet and pro-Soviet views is
> inaccurate. Although it was not impossible at the time to ascertain to a
> fair degree what was happening in the Soviet Union in the 1930s and to
> ascertain the complexity of the impact of the Soviet experience in Britain,
> it needed quite a bit of discretion, a lot of studying of the material, and
> the putting aside of preconceptions. That might be a good idea today when
> considering events in Ukraine and elsewhere.
>
> Anyone interested in my book can order it via here <
> http://www.francisboutle.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=50 >.
>
> Paul F
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