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His basic message is that such a revolution is a fantasy.

Clay Claiborne, Director
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On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Michael Karadjis via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Of course Obama is horrified by the idea that mere farmers and workers
> could overthrow a capitalist regime. Obama has done us a favour not only in
> further clarifying imperialist policy towards the Syrian revolution, but in
> clarifying the *class* basis both of the revolution and of imperialist
> opposition to it, something for anti-class "anti-imperialists" to think
> about.
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> MK
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> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:27 AM
> To: Michael Karadjis
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] O'Donnell's good question and Obama's bad answer
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> Various media have different lists of job types in Obama's remarks. The
> official transcript says "farmers, teachers or pharmacists:
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/19/
> remarks-president-situation-iraq
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> But that's not my main point. Below is my comment when a Syrian
> revolutionary friend shared the article:
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> "The worst part about his speech is his slanderous denial of the ability of
> "farmers or teachers or pharmacists" to defeat Assad. It is PRECISELY those
> folks and the rest of Syria's working masses who alone can defeat Assad.
> The problem is not the class composition of the FSA, but rather that of its
> bourgeois leadership. (And one day the US working masses will overthrow the
> filthy ruling class whom Obama gladly serves here.)
> PS: I must say Obama clearly doesn't know shit about the Arab-American
> community or he wouldn't have slandered pharmacists in particular."
>
> This comment drew an impressive number of "likes" from other pro-Revolution
> Arabs. (And of course they're spitting mad about Obama's callous remarks in
> general, the essence of which is 'you Syrians are too low-class and stupid
> to deserve our support, so fuck off.'"
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> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
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>>       O'Donnell's good question and Obama's bad answer
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>> http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2014/06/odonnells-good-
>> question-and-obamas-bad.html
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>> > "/CBS This Morning" /host Norah O'Donnell asked
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>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-notion-that-syrian-
>> opposition-could-overthrow-assad-a-fantasy/
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>> > President Obama a very good question when she interviewed him about
>> > the growth of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham or ISIS and its
>> > dramatic return to Iraq after a year of growth in Syria:
>> >
>> >     /Would that vacuum exist had we backed the moderate forces in >
>> Syria?/
>> >
>> > President Barack Obama responded:
>> >
>> >     /"Yes, I think this notion that somehow there was this > ready-made
>> >     moderate Syrian force that was able to defeat [Syrian President
>> >     Bashar] Assad is simply not true, and, you know, we have spent a
>> >     lot of time trying to work with a moderate opposition in Syria.
>> >
>> >     "But, as I said yesterday, when you get farmers, dentists and
>> >     folks who have never fought before going up against a ruthless
>> >     opposition in Assad, the notion that they were in a position to
>> >     suddenly overturn not only Assad but also ruthless, highly > trained
>> >     jihadists if we just sent a few arms is a fantasy. And I think
>> >     it's very important for the American people - but maybe more
>> >     importantly, Washington and the press corps - to understand >
>> that."/
>> >
>> > The correct answer is No, ISIS would probably not be leading the
>> > uprising in Iraq if Obama had backed the moderate forces in Syria.
>> > President Obama is just wrong when he implies that the Syrian
>> > opposition had to battle both the Assad regime and the hard-line
>> > Islamic jihadists from the beginning and he is wrong when he says > his
>> > administration did all it could to help them when it /"spent a lot > of
>> > time trying to work with"/ some of the opposition forces. The > struggle
>> > against Assad had gone on for almost a year before these jihadists
>> > became a significant factor.
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>> *More...*
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>> http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2014/06/odonnells-good-
>> question-and-obamas-bad.html
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>> *
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