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As I understand it, the Israeli military has a gag order on reporting any attacks on military installations in Israel. Thus one would not know whether or not Hamas has attacked them.
On 7/22/2014 12:23 PM, DW via Marxism wrote:
====================================================================== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. ====================================================================== Dennis writes: "Would you also say that the Vietnamese claim of victory in 1975 after suffering 4 million dead, widespread birth defects from Agent Orange, unexploded bombs killing people to this day, and widespread destruction leaving their nation an economic basket case unable to serve as a positive model for other former colonial nations were also guilty of "wishful-thinking"? Was their victory merely Pyrrhic as Chomsky has suggested?" Terrible analogy, Dennis. The Vietnamese *won*. The Palestinians? Not so much. I think the correct analogy here would be the Ted Offensive, which was a lost by the NLF but proceeded the ultimate victory about 8 years later. And we can discuss the Tet Offensive in this light perhaps later since one can make the argument that though the offensive was totally smashed, the costs to the U.S. and their S. Vietnamese puppets was something they *may* of never recovered from, but in Vietnam and domestically, in the U.S. I don't see this as the same or as so analogous to the Ted Offensive. At least not yet. Comparisons with Lebanon are apt though. But here you had an abject *military* defeat for the IDF. They achieved none of their goals though, as expressed in Israel, the Katyusha rockets *did* stop being lobbed into Israel. Why the Hezbollah not once aimed those rockets at Israeli military fortifications goes the stupid politics of these resistance organizations which we can also discuss. [IDF forces are concentrated and bunched up formation in known assembly points right outside Gaza, *without Iron Dome protection*!!!]. And Dennis, you are correct, the situation of Palestinians is completely fucked in terms of choices in strategy and tactics given the military and geographic reality of both Gaza and the West Bank. No doubt about it. But to 'claim' victory might be good for the Gaza street (which makes sense *there*), while Israel STILL occupies parts of the Strip and continued *unabated* is simply not a victory. When Israel withdraws, after the destruction of whole sections of the Stip and the murder of perhaps thousands, then 'victory' can be discussed. Until then it *disorients* those fighting in solidarity with Gaza specifically and for Palestine in general. I will not circulate such poorly proclamatory crap as that article in question. David (also fighting for over 40 years against Zionism). ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mikesola%40gmail.com
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