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Certainly from Israeli sources, but Hamas would not observe such a gag
order.  Couldn't Hamas launch such an attack and get someone from Al
Jazeera to report that?


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Mike Sola via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> As I understand it, the Israeli military has a gag order on reporting any
> attacks on military installations in Israel. Thus one would not know
> whether or not Hamas has attacked them.
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> On 7/22/2014 12:23 PM, DW via Marxism wrote:
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>> Dennis writes:
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>> "Would you also say that the Vietnamese claim of victory in 1975 after
>> suffering 4 million dead, widespread birth defects from Agent Orange,
>> unexploded bombs killing people to this day, and widespread destruction
>> leaving their nation an economic basket case unable to serve as a positive
>> model for other former colonial nations were also guilty of
>> "wishful-thinking"? Was their victory merely Pyrrhic as Chomsky has
>> suggested?"
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>> Terrible analogy, Dennis. The Vietnamese *won*. The Palestinians? Not so
>> much. I think the correct analogy here would be the Ted Offensive, which
>> was a lost by the NLF but proceeded the ultimate victory about 8 years
>> later. And we can discuss the Tet Offensive in this light perhaps later
>> since one can make the argument that though the offensive was totally
>> smashed, the costs to the U.S. and their S. Vietnamese puppets was
>> something they *may* of never recovered from, but in Vietnam and
>> domestically, in the U.S.
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>> I don't see this as the same or as so analogous to the Ted Offensive. At
>> least not yet. Comparisons with Lebanon are apt though. But here you had
>> an
>> abject *military* defeat for the IDF. They achieved none of their goals
>> though, as expressed in Israel, the Katyusha rockets *did* stop being
>> lobbed into Israel. Why the Hezbollah not once aimed those rockets at
>> Israeli military fortifications goes the stupid politics of these
>> resistance organizations which we can also discuss. [IDF forces are
>> concentrated and bunched up formation in known assembly points right
>> outside Gaza, *without Iron Dome protection*!!!].
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>> And Dennis, you are correct, the situation of Palestinians is completely
>> fucked in terms of choices in strategy and tactics given the military and
>> geographic reality of both Gaza and the West Bank. No doubt about it.
>>
>> But to 'claim' victory might be good for the Gaza street (which makes
>> sense
>> *there*), while Israel STILL occupies parts of the Strip  and continued
>> *unabated* is simply not a victory. When Israel withdraws, after the
>> destruction of whole sections of the Stip and the murder of perhaps
>> thousands, then 'victory' can be discussed. Until then it *disorients*
>> those fighting in solidarity with Gaza specifically and for Palestine in
>> general. I will not circulate such poorly proclamatory crap as that
>> article
>> in question.
>>
>> David
>> (also fighting for over 40 years against Zionism).
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