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I also consider C. J. Chivers very creditable [ we follow each other on twitter ] His NY Times study is one of three I have generally cited to back my view that NATO caused relatively few civilian causalities in Libya. The UN put the number at 60, HRW said 72, this NYTimes report reviewed 150 incidents at 25 locations and put the number at 40-70. None have claimed they were just sampling and none claimed they had counted all possible civilian causalities, just all they knew about. I have generally said less than a hundred feeling that I was still allowing a wide margin for new deaths to be incorporated in the count. In Sirte, they document 7 women and children killed on 25 Sept when the home of a Brig General was bombed. They also document another woman, Aisha Abdujodil, killed when her apartment building was bombed. That makes 9 of the 40-72, and while, as their narrative makes clear, every death is an individual tragedy, I still have seen no facts that back up a claim that NATO caused massive civilian deaths in Sirte. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at theLinux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com