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On 12/1/14 8:25 AM, Marv Gandall wrote:
On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism
<[email protected]> wrote:
This is economic determinism bordering on fatalism but what might
be expected from a supporter of Democratic Party presidential bids
for the time he has been on Marxmail…From everything I have heard
from Marvin over the past decade or so, he would be oriented to the
PSOE.
You seem to have compiled pretty good files on those you disagree
with on this list, Louis. How about some choice quotes from the
archives to back up your statements?
I have better things to do than dive into the archives dumpster to find
pro-Obama comments you made in his first run for the presidency (you had
the good sense not to proselytize for him in his second campaign.) But
five minutes of a search revealed this:
->Not too early, though, to lend support to Fred's comments that the
politicalsituation in the US is more fluid than it has been in a very
long time-with deep divisions within the two major parties and third
party trial balloons being circulated at the highest political levels.
Within that context, Obama's candidacy might well contain the germs of a
third party formation from below more serious than the earlier Nader and
other efforts to build something from outside "actual, existing"
American politics.<-
full: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.politics.marxism.marxmail/9704
The Fred referred to above is Fred Feldman, a leader of the SWP for 35
years who succumbed to Obamania in 2007.
"Obama's candidacy might well contain the germs of a third party formation"?
What in god's name gave Marvin such an idea? I understand that Obamania
was an epidemic in late 2007 and early 2008--much worse than Ebola in
Liberia--but there were substantive critiques of this illusion much
earlier that should have been a wake-up call. All you needed to do was
read Bruce Dixon or Adolph Reed who had him nailed.
Marvin has a way of playing the coquette around these questions but
anybody who has been reading him for the past decade, as I have as
Marxmail moderator, understands that he advocates that socialists should
constitute a left-wing in the DP so as to help foment a split at some
point when the shit really hits the fan, like when martial law is
declared and Rush Limbaugh organizes a coup in the name of the America
Rules Party.
My strategy is different. I advocate that socialists should try to help
organize a party to the left of the Democrats that articulates a clear
anti-capitalist agenda.
Some memories from Marvin's misspent Trotskyist youth lead him to feel
some affinity for the latter strategy but his longtime career in the
Canadian labor movement has had the disorienting effect of making him
favor the first. That is his contradiction to resolve, not ours.
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