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Well, certainly if a US citizen were caught giving any such aid to a "terrorist," there would be no distinction as far as US law is concerned. "Material support" is "material support". I also wonder what sort of treatment a Palestinian would get if he were simply giving "humanitarian aid" to a member of Al Nusra. If their aim is to keep the flames stoked, then they could easily do either bombs or medical aid, I don't see why it makes a difference as far as understanding exactly what Israel is trying to do on the ground. Either way, they are finding some way to help "terrorists" in such a way that they would likely find unacceptable if others were doing it. Bombs or bandages, what's the difference if the aim is to maintain a stalemate between Assad and the rebels? - Amith On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Andrew Pollack <[email protected]> wrote: > Agreed, there's a distinction between wholesale provision of medical aid > and treating a wounded soldier who they happen to come upon. > If they do the former, it's likely for the reasons you so accurately state > Amith, that it's in Israel's interest to keep the flames stoked. > Still, the headline and Joe's subject line were misleading. Anyone reading > only those and not the body of the story would assume they were talking > about guns or other explicitly military/training/intelligence involvement. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM, A.R. G <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well wait a second. Is that something normal, for Israel to do? To >> provide medical aid to groups of people that they consider to be affiliated >> with a "terrorist" group? Do they do the same for Hezb/Iranian/Syrian >> regime fighters? >> >> It may not exactly be the same as giving them a bunch of bombs, but it >> sounds like hospitality to say the least. Considering they could easily >> just let them die or arrest them or something, why should they provide any >> form of aid at all, including humanitarian aid? Sincere question. >> >> - Amith >> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> ***************************************************************** >>> >>> Michael's (correct) point should have been in a reply to Joseph's post >>> about the Times of Israel story. The head and subhead of that story is >>> deceptive for leaving out the qualifier "medical." >>> And Joe's subject line repeats that omission. Whether intentional or not >>> I >>> can't say, but he should have read the whole article first. >>> Unless he thinks medical treatment is military support, in which case no >>> medic should ever administer it to the other side in any conflict. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Michael Karadjis via Marxism < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >>> > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> > ***************************************************************** >>> > >>> > Israel is not assisting Nusra, and the article doesn't say that it is. >>> > Despite the title, the only assistance to unspecified fighters (and >>> > civilians) referred to in the article is the treating of patients in >>> > Israeli hospitals. Ya'alon says the conditions for providing this >>> medical >>> > assistance is that they don't attack Israel, the don't attack the >>> Druze, >>> > and they keep "Islamic extremists" away from the border. For "Islamic >>> > extremists" read Nusra. There is not a shred of evidence for Israeli >>> > support for Nusra, nor for that matter for the FSA except the hospital >>> > stuff. >>> > >>> > 'Israel's Dangerous Game with Palestinian Islamists': >>> > Israeli hospital treats Palestinian fighters >>> > >>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/feb/8/20070208-115659-5410r/?page=all >>> ; >>> > 16-year-old Gaza terrorist treated in Israeli hospital >>> > >>> http://www.timesofisrael.com/16-year-old-gaza-terrorist-treated-in-israeli-hospital/ >>> ; >>> > Israeli hospital treated both sides during Jenin battle: >>> > >>> http://www.israel21c.org/health/israeli-hospital-treated-both-sides-during-jenin-battle/ >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: A.R. G via Marxism >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:13 AM >>> > To: Michael Karadjis >>> > Subject: Re: [Marxism] ToI: Israel acknowledges it is helping Syrian >>> > rebelfighters >>> > >>> > >>> > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >>> > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> > ***************************************************************** >>> > >>> > Could it be that Israel is helping Nusra because of recent comments >>> that >>> > most of the opposition is being forced by international backers to >>> accept >>> > the legitimacy of Bashar al-Assad? Perhaps they are more willing to >>> assist >>> > opposition groups knowing that they will not succeed in overthrowing >>> the >>> > regime, and they would be less willing to do so if the opponent were >>> to be >>> > overthrown rather than weakened? >>> > >>> > - Amith >>> > _________________________________________________________ >>> > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >>> > Set your options at: >>> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com >>> > _________________________________________________________ >>> > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >>> > Set your options at: >>> > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com >>> > >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >>> Set your options at: >>> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
