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Proyect wrote: We have a left developing in Greece today out of the disaffected Syriza members, Antarsya and the KKE (not that these people are capable of working in a united front). As I urged a FB friend yesterday, the focus should be on what's next and not on what just happened. ********************** I'm glad that you finally seem to realize that the future of the Greek left lies in a recomposition of forces, and not with Syriza as a party. But is politically impossible to forget about the betrayal that has just taken place and simply "move on". The Tsipras faction of Syriza (which is probably still a majority) is hardly about to roll over and play dead. They will argue that they have not betrayed and that therefore no recomposition of the left is necessary. The KKE leadership will continue to defend its sectarian-abstentionist policies. And many more on the left will be bewildered and confused by what has taken place, not knowing what the future holds or where to turn. Recomposition demands political clarification, which in turn demands a struggle of ideas and political tendencies. I know that branding people betrayers, and the whole notion of a right-left struggle within the left is your idea of a Spartacist nightmare, and is anathema to every bone in your "anti-sectarian" body. But it is unavoidable at this juncture. Lenin didn't skip over the struggle against Kautsky, and move effortlessly on to the founding of the Third International, letting bygones be bygones. He would not have accepted the excuse that voting for war credits in the Reichstag simply "reflected" the wishes of the German people (which it did at the time, btw, to a much greater extent than voting for austerity now reflects the wishes of the majority of the Greek people). I know we aren't in the same situation here, and that the issue is a Grexit, not war and revolution, so please do not invoke that straw man. But an event of great consequence is now transpiring, and the left, in Greece or Europe, can't move forward without digesting its implications. Jim Creegan On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < [email protected]> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On 7/16/15 8:20 AM, Marv Gandall via Marxism wrote: > >> Is the suggestion here that all of the peoples in the eurozone are >> trapped in it because the technical problems of converting to a >> sovereign currency are intractable, or is there something special >> about the technological structure of Greek capitalism? >> > > Absolutely not. But all this talk about Tsipras should have come up with a > "plan B" while he was in these intense negotiations with the eurozone bigs > is nuts. As I have repeatedly tried to explain, converting to a new > currency requires a full project life-cycle implementation just as it did > moving from a drachma to the euro. I have been involved with 5 such massive > projects during my career so I can guarantee you that it would take Greece > or any other euro-based nations a full 3 years to effect a change. As Doug > pointed out, such a declared intention would have consequences of capital > drain. > > In any case, the challenge is more political than technical at this point. > We have a left developing in Greece today out of the disaffected Syriza > members, Antarsya and the KKE (not that these people are capable of working > in a united front). As I urged a FB friend yesterday, the focus should be > on what's next and not on what just happened. > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sectarian61%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
