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Personally I don't think that *any* references to Jewish privileging, especially in Palestine circles, should be ban-worthy. Also, there is an actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an excessive influence on the US left. But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for once, I kind of agree with Jeff. I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark. - Amith On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Jeff via Marxism < [email protected]> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote: > > > >What I can document > > For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document." > Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period. > When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's > usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g. > about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it. > > But getting to the point: > > > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly > >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, > > In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants > when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more > serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are > in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to > center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and > absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all > factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression. > > It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths > about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are > associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the > interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive > charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy > (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen > a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this > list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see > it again. > > I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this > far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting > that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so > easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about > Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian > Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would > mean something. > > I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute > to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And > the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely > unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least. > > - Jeff > > such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the > >case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the > alter > >ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people > like > >AR parrot mindlessly. After all, they're Jewish, they must be > right.. > >Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/meisner%40xs4all.nl > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
