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Well, thank you for the sort-of apology. That was far worse than anything I said about the zio-cliques, all of which I stand by, not in the least crude. -----Original Message----- >From: "A.R. G via Marxism" <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 19, 2015 7:29 PM >To: Mark Richey <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Jew baiting (was: Time to recall that the enemy is at >home) > >******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >***************************************************************** > >Personally I don't think that *any* references to Jewish privileging, >especially in Palestine circles, should be ban-worthy. Also, there is an >actual phenomenon called liberal Zionism and it does, in fact, have an >excessive influence on the US left. > >But I think Mark Richey's comments are crude and and unsophisticated and >uncalled for, and like Jeff says there's no sociological relevance. So for >once, I kind of agree with Jeff. > >I admit, I made a mistake of bringing up the rumor against Mark. > >- Amith > >On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Jeff via Marxism < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> ***************************************************************** >> >> At 14:18 19-10-15 +0800, Mark Richey via Marxism wrote: >> > >> >What I can document >> >> For starters, we don't want to hear claims of what someone "can document." >> Someone who wants to make an argument just sends the documentation, period. >> When the most you can say is that you "can document" something, it's >> usually because you can't. Likewise when "everyone knows" some fact (e.g. >> about Syria) it usually means no one actually knows it. >> >> But getting to the point: >> >> > is that 'solidarity' activists anywhere in the US are overwhelmingly >> >liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists, >> >> In any political discussion, identifying ethnicity/religion of participants >> when there is no sociological relevance is properly frowned up. Much more >> serious however are such reference in relationship to activists who you are >> in discussion with, even indirectly. The discussion on this list has to >> center on the ideas being expressed, not on who's expressing them, and >> absolutely not on unrelated factors about those individuals, most of all >> factors that have been associated with discrimination or oppression. >> >> It is particularly egregious when such a reference conjures up racist myths >> about "Jewish domination" or conspiracies, as these are lies that are >> associated with past genocide. Labelling any activists who work in the >> interests of Palestine "Zionist" is a particularly vicious and disruptive >> charge since it's the same as saying that they are on the side of the enemy >> (just like a false charge of someone being an informer). I have never seen >> a phrase such as "liberal zionist, Jewish cliquists" thrown around on this >> list (or in any acceptable discussion) and absolutely do not expect to see >> it again. >> >> I imagine the only reason the moderator has allowed this person to get this >> far, is that because his contributions to the discussion are so disgusting >> that they actually benefit the other side. And that his statements are so >> easy to counter. But frankly if Louis would like to have a discussion about >> Syria with the pro-Assad left, I'd really prefer if it was with Brian >> Becker or Franklin Lamb, so that the victory of his argumentation would >> mean something. >> >> I have seen no evidence that this person has anything useful to contribute >> to this list or has any intention of discussing ideas in good faith. And >> the use of ethnic references of the sort I mentioned is completely >> unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated in the least. >> >> - Jeff >> >> such as MECA, JVP, IJAN, etc. Such is the >> >case in the Bay Area where most are in the wake of Barbara Lubin, the >> alter >> >ego of MECA, essentially a two Jewish woman operation, but which people >> like >> >AR parrot mindlessly. 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