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On 3/14/2016 10:14 AM, Sean Noonan via Marxism wrote:
Clay Claiborne claims that since Trump wanted the confrontation to happen
(which Clay doesn't demonstrate, only asserts) - it was a mistake for the
confrontation to proceed.
I don't believe I ever drew that conclusion. I did make a case for
saying Trump had set it up but I also said I was withholding judgement
about the wisdom of the action until more facts were known.
It is entirely possible Trump failed to fully anticipate
what an open-admission rally on one of the most diverse campuses in the
country would look like after he has spent months race-baiting,
muslim-baiting, immigrant-baiting and inciting violence at his rallies.
I guess it is just as possible that the venue for his Cincinnati Town
Hall was in the suburbs 25 miles from downtown, or that none of his
other venues have been at majority minority locations is entirely
accidental.
Last Fall Trump was stupid enough to try to pander to voters in Downstate
Illinois by talking about how nice Chicago is (His audience booed).
But we can't always count on that stupidity.
Trump
didn't think enough about his audience's attitudes downstate in the fall
and on Friday he didn't anticipate the large number of students opposed to
him who would show up when he came to their campus.
Because his people don't follow the news reports, didn't know about the
Move-On petition, etc.
Trump isn't paying
sufficient attention to the details of who and where he speaks. So, when it
dawned on him that he would be facing a large opposition inside the UIC
pavillion, he cancelled the event.
And it just dawned on him, after the venue had already been filled by
thousands of fans and protesters, but still before he arrived to see for
himself, which is very unfortunate because most accounts I heard say
that violence only broke out after it was announced that Trump wasn't
going to show and it came from his frustrated fans that now blamed the
protesters for being cheated out of their show.
And I'm sure its possible that Trump didn't know that by cancelling it
at that time and in that way [did that mean that his own security staff
then withdrew from the arena? does anybody know?] that he was lighting a
fuse to the power keg he had already set up.
Claiborne is buying into Maddow's portrayal of the event as a brawl.
Where did I do that? I agree with her assessment that it was a setup and
I especially think her collection of Trump quotes very useful.
Several thousand people just took their first steps into social movement
and street politics and Clay wants to browbeat and harangue them about the
putative mistake of putting a couple of thousand people inside the UIC
Pavilion to chant down Donald Trump.
I just said he setup it up. That's what he wanted to happen. That is my
point.
It is better to congratulate the
protesters who just stopped a racist piece of shit from speaking on their
campus.
But did they just help him become president at the same time by falling
into a trap?
I would like to think that is a question that can at least be posed on a
Marxist list.
I still think Trump choose this confrontation when choose a 46% white
university with a well known activist community as a rally venue the
week before the IL primary and that's why it happened. Your theory is
basically that he's an idiot and doesn't know what he's doing. I think
that's a very dangerous attitude towards a fascist demagog that is this
close to being the GOP nominee.
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