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On 27 Oct 2017 3:47 PM, "RKOB via Marxism" <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > In general, I consider Michael Roberts to be an excellent economist, > producing a lot of useful and serious material. But on China, he clearly > wrong. China is not a deformed workers state but an emerging imperialist > power. > > I fear Michael Roberts is (consciously or unconsciously) trapped by his > old Grantite myth which derived the class character of a state from the > ideology of the leading party. This is why Ted Grant saw "proletarian > Bonapartism" (and hence "deformed workers state") all around the world > including in Syria, Ethiopia, Burma or Yemen. > > Those interested in an overview of China's capitalist economy including > current figures can take a look at chapter 4 of a recently published > pamphlet by Michael Pröbsting: The China-India Conflict (IV. China as an > Emerging Great Imperialist Power), https://www.thecommunists.net/ > theory/china-india-rivalry/chapter-4/ > > > > Am 26.10.2017 um 16:29 schrieb Andrew Pollack via Marxism: > >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> ***************************************************************** >> >> I agree with David about the seriousness of Michael's analysis. My gut >> reaction is to disagree with his conclusion, but when I feel the need to >> intervene in a discussion on the topic I'll sure as shootin' start with >> Michael's article (with Richard Smith as counterpoint). >> >> p.s. On the bureaucracy itself, see this new interview with Au Loongyu: >> http://internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article5211 >> >> As for the Grantites' historical method, here's a glaring example: >> https://www.marxists.org/archive/grant/1978/07/colrev.htm >> _________________________________________________________ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt >> ions/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net >> >> > -- > Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG > (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) > www.rkob.net > ak...@rkob.net > Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 > > > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/gregadler502%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
