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Hi Louis

This is very good. As an outsider, I can't really challenge your knowledge
of the US Democrats. However, I do have questions with regards to the last
few lines of your article.

You maintain, correctly, that a truly socialist organisation can be
"gestated" inside the democratic party, but could not some of the elements
needed for such a movement exist within it?

If that were not the case, it wouldn't be necessary to argue with people
not to join/support /vote democrat. It's not like we ever need to have this
debate about Repubicans.

The debate is, surely, about whether you join the Democrats with an eye to
splitting off the social democratic elements, or plant a flag outside in
hopes of attracting them (it's a debate we've had in Britain about Labour
for years, complicated obviously by Labour's organic link to trade unions,
etc)

I suppose my question is, are there existing progressive, pro-working class
elements within the democratic party, which are easier to access by working
with/in the party? If so, the capitalist nature of the party is, in my
opinion, of secondary importance compared to the advantages of reaching a
wider audience with socialist ideas.

All genuine questions and unformed thoughts.

Tim N

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> The “democratic socialist” movement spawned by Bernie Sanders’s 2016
> campaign has led to an interesting development. Highly educated and
> self-described socialists in the academy have written erudite articles
> making the Marxist case for voting Democratic. Even if they are wrong, I
> am impressed with the scholarly prowess deployed on behalf of obvious
> casuistry.
>
> These articles often appear in Jacobin, which has managed to repackage
> arguments made by Irving Howe a half-century ago in the snazziest of
> graphics. In 2016, for example, Seth Ackerman, a Jacobin editor and
> dissertation student at the highly prestigious Cornell University, wrote
> “A Blueprint for a New Party” that advanced “new electoral strategies
> for an independent left-wing party rooted in the working class” but in
> fine print recommended running in Democratic Party primaries. Jacobin
> followed up with another such article by Eric Blanc but couched in terms
> of a “dirty break” from the Democratic Party as opposed to the “clean
> break” advocated by Marxist dinosaurs like me. Such a “dirty break” was
> adopted by the Nonpartisan League in the early 20th century, when it ran
> candidates in both the Democratic and Republican parties (a case can be
> made that the Republicans were the lesser evil at the time). Blanc, who
> is a dissertation student at NYU, is even more steeped in Marxist lore
> than Ackerman. One supposes that this is a prerequisite for convincing
> congenitally radical young people to work for Democratic Party
> candidates when disgust with the party is at an all-time high.
>
> full:
>
> https://louisproyect.org/2018/08/03/young-marxist-intellectuals-and-the-democratic-party/
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