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" But the assembled quotes from de Zayas do point up how an unprincipled anti-Americanism can lead to extremely problematic territory. To wit: ... • "Israel emerged out of terrorism against the indigenous population" and its representatives should be denied U.N. accreditation. Source <http://www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=165>" So to criticize leftists at DN for bringing on a right-wing mouthpiece like de Zayas, you guys cite a leftist blog (CounterVortex) that cites right-wing mouthpieces and Zionist war propaganda (like UN Watch)? There is nothing "problematic" about half of those quotes. The Old Testament, like most ancient religious literature, is a barbaric book. Nuremburg was an exercise in victor's justice, which is why subsequent international criminal tribunals tried to make serious structural changes to the process, including standardizing (or attempting to standardize) international criminal law. The Allies did commit horrific wartime atrocities, just as the Axis powers did, even if genocide wasn't one of them. And Israel is unambiguously a regime that emerged out of terrorism against the indigenous population. And even as the piece notes that UN Watch is "pro-Western" (which is misleading, unless by "Western" you mean "Israel"), it still depends on UN Watch for half of the material and even repeats Israeli propaganda. It is also worth noting how the implicit suggestion is that being "pro-Western" or pro-Israel and attempting to discredit human rights agencies that monitor Israeli abuses -- which are happening in real time -- does not qualify as racism or right-wing activism (at least, not enough to stop quoting them), while this man's affiliations with groups that downplay atrocities that happened historically do. That de Zayas is apparently a German fascist or has fascist supporters is being used by this blog as a launching point to assail not only Democracy Now but a series of totally valid and fundamentally left-wing political causes including anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism. It smells like an Anti-Deutsch blog. And it is transparent they aren't just going at DN for the mistake of hosting a fake expert with Nazi ties (which is a reasonable criticism), but actually substantively opposed to opposition to imperialism and Zionism (or at least, totally clueless about both things) and they are using this man's appearance to give it the veneer of being principled leftists. Amith R. Gupta On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:05 PM MM via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > > On Jan 29, 2019, at 1:49 PM, John Reimann via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > > > https://countervortex.org/node/16232?fbclid=IwAR3bvY7IR69dbjwAorVT-aLItywJ5ZxYH5KBlrUiF5oZGbsHHthjXwKzk6k > < > https://countervortex.org/node/16232?fbclid=IwAR3bvY7IR69dbjwAorVT-aLItywJ5ZxYH5KBlrUiF5oZGbsHHthjXwKzk6k > > > > > > Amy Goodman has put on her show one Alfred de Zayas, a supposed "former > UN > > expert" on human rights. He was put on to discuss Venezuela. As the > article > > reveals, de Zayas is a supporter of the AfD in Germany. He only "opposes" > > US imperialism because he supports Putin and Russian imperialism. We see, > > once again, how all these radical lefts, or in the case of Goodman a left > > liberal, are fodder for the red-brown alliance because they completely > miss > > the main point: The class conflict. > > It seems worth pointing out that Bill acknowledges it was Alexander Reid > Ross who first brought this to his attention: > > https://twitter.com/areidross/status/1089301480803229697 > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
