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From: Louis Proyect wrote

Mike Gonzalez interview:"

   Chávez was anti-capitalist in his discourse, but never had an
   anti-capitalist strategy. Expropriations were purchases and often in
   reaction to the disinvestment or flight of a specific capitalist."
   <https://truthout.org/articles/what-happened-to-latin-americas-socialism/>

   https://truthout.org/articles/what-happened-to-latin-americas-socialism/

   As if a strategy could have guaranteed success. Gonzalez, like his
   ideological partner Sam Farber, never consider the question of the
   relationship of class forces. If Venezuela had carried out the
   wide-scale nationalizations of the Cuban revolution, it would have
   faced sanctions, subversion and even military intervention that make
   the last 5 years look small-scale by comparison. Cuba was able to
   survive because it had the backing of the USSR.

   The simple truth is that Venezuela, Nicaragua, Vietnam, and any
   other peripheral society cannot survive on their own in a world
   where capitalist property relations prevail

   The only way a "socialist strategy" might have worked in Latin
   America was if if it had been continent-wide in the same way Simon
   Bolivar had led. That would have required a different kind of
   leadership in Brazil than the Workers Party that was spineless.

   It is easy for people like Gonzalez, Farber, et al to review what
   happened in Venezuela or Cuba like they were reviewing a movie. Let
   them go out and make their own. It ain't easy. I say that as someone
   who was deeply involved with Nicaraguan solidarity in the 80s and
   saw a country incapable of resolving contradictions of the kind that
Marx referred to in the 18th Brumaire:
   "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please;
   they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under
   circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
   The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the
   brains of the living."

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Yes. And "circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past" includes the supersession as the primary aggregate unit of analysis of the nation-state and corresponding relationships and moving on to the transnational corporate structure and its emerging relationships as that primary unit of analysis, and its implications for class struggle and the working class as the agent of change. That shift in analysis is nascent right now, but in process at best. Without it, we get not a farthing further, with exceptions, two of which I am reading and recommend, e.g., "Global Shift: Mapping the Changing Contours of the World Economy" 7th edition by Peter Dicken (a non-Marxist geographer) and "Into the Tempest:Essays on the New Global Capitalism"by William I. Robinson <https://www.haymarketbooks.org/authors/835-william-i-robinson> https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1229-into-the-tempest (Marxist). Robinson's book is 50% off at Haymarket for the next 7 days, with an e-book included.

Maybe people here would look at and at least consider critically what these writers are getting at, and what it means in the context of what Lou writes here. Many otherwise knowledgeable people  whom I respect in many ways are walking right by, generally misinterpreting, ignoring or otherwise dismissing what's on offer here.

Dicken has some rich analysis and description but only gets so far in developing it. Unlike Robinson as would be expected in the case of a non-Marxist, he misses the dialectical analysis necessary to fully engage what he's getting at. He has a new edition of his book due soon. I can only hope that he has the objectivity to carefully and objectively consider the content of Robinson's book and that he will have taken it into account. The two need to get on the same page; I think Robinson is there.


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