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John Reimann writes, quoting Glenn Greenwald: " I think that left and right as we understood them for the last four decades are starting to morph into pro-establishment and anti-establishment dynamics and that will only continue." That last comment especially, in which he dismisses a left-right divide, is the exact position of the likes of Steve Bannon and Alexander Dugin." I think part of the problem there is the confusion on the left these days. For the likes of Bannon, anyone in or left of the Democrats is 'left', and that encompasses a lot of different thinking, some of it having little or nothing to say about class. So in a sense Greenwald is right. Some on the "left" are generically anti-establishment. Until there is a genuine significant movement on the left, distinguishing what left means and separating it from incoherent anti-establishment thinking will be difficult. Cheers, John On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 9:27 PM John Reimann via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > I'm not sure if Ralph Johanson was asking me to document my claims about > Greenwald or if he was just commenting, but in case it's the former, here > goes: > > I had written that he is a somewhat more subtle version of Ben Norton/Max > Blumenthal and that he supports the Assadist, Tulsi Gabbard. I had > forgotten to mention that he too supports Assad. He does so in a more > subtle way than do Blumenthal and Norton, for example in this article: > > https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/the-spoils-of-war-trump-lavished-with-media-and-bipartisan-praise-for-bombing-syria/ > Note > how he implies that US policy has been regime change in Syria and how he > casts doubt on who was responsible for the gas attack there. > > As for his support for Gabbard, see this article: > > > https://www.businessinsider.com/tulsi-gabbard-homophobic-history-defended-tucker-carlson-glenn-greenwald-2019-1 > This article also documents his collaboration with Tucker Carlson. This > article ( > > https://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-greenwald-rips-msnbc-to-tucker-carlson-they-fed-people-total-disinformation-and-exploited-fears-on-russia/ > ) > does likewise. It also shows how he aligns himself with the likes of Jeremy > Scahill. > > > As for his defense of the red-brown alliance and his equating the Tea Party > with Occupy, see this interview he did with RT while he was in Russia > https://www.rt.com/usa/432042-greenwald-rt-interview-moscow/ In it he is > quoted as saying, "Two of the most important protest movements in the US β > one was the Tea Party, the other was Occupy Wall Street β were both > perceived to be on different ends of the political spectrum. Yet they had > very similar issues in common. They were protesting the bailout of Wall > Street after the Wall Street crisis, the domination of corporations.... I > think that left and right as we understood them for the last four decades > are starting to morph into pro-establishment and anti-establishment > dynamics and that will only continue." That last comment especially, in > which he dismisses a left-right divide, is the exact position of the likes > of Steve Bannon and Alexander Dugin. > > In that interview, Greenwald continues "There are factions within the > intelligence community of the United States, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI that > hate Donald Trump and will do anything to destroy him, including leaking > classified information against him." While Greenwald dismisses the > Trump-Russia collusion as "conspiracy theory", it is he, himself, who > engages in this sort of nonsense here. Why would these "factions" inside > the CIA, etc. hate Trump? The reason given by his type in the past is that > "Trump wants peace". Is that what he's claiming? > > Greenwald an "exceptionally astute, well-informed spokesperson"? Hardly. > > Johanson dismisses my criticisms of Greenwald as being ad hominem attacks, > but in considering the views of a commentator on a particular issue it is > perfectly legitimate to consider their overall views. And I do think that > Greenwald's overall views mean that he's not to be taken seriously. > > John Reimann > > -- > *βIn politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.β *from "The Black > Jacobins" by C. L. R. 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