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I will not post on this subject again until someone makes an intelligent response to what I posted before. The post the conflict over the American Revolution in these terms is simply dishonest. On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 1:33 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < [email protected]> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On 1/19/20 1:13 PM, Patrick Bond via Marxism wrote: > > > > On 1/10/2020 6:51 PM, Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo via Marxism wrote: > >> > https://peoplesworld.org/article/capitalism-needs-racism-a-response-to-the-nyt-1619-project/ > >> > > > > Actually, there's such a big theoretical problem here, as to whether > > capitalism 'needs' racism, or can jettison even its most profound > > manifestations - such as apartheid - when more effective systems of > > surplus extraction emerge. The South African case is exemplary, and the > > main writers on this have tried over several decades to specify when > > racism is functional, and when it creates contradictions that become > > debilitating. If you're interested in identifying the contingent versus > > the necessary, have a look at Ben Magubane's historical work, e.g. > > > http://unrisd.org/80256B3C005BCCF9/(httpAuxPages)/63265CAFF973018D80256B6D005785D1/%24file/dmaguban.pdf > > This takes us a bit far afield. The big question prompted by Project > 1619 is not so much about how surplus value is extracted but over the > dynamics of American history. WSWS and its historian allies both > exaggerate the democratic character of the 1776 revolt and minimize the > importance of slavery in the rise of American capitalism. As I pointed > out in a piece on this, one of the articles that irked Wood and > McPherson, two of WSWS's allies, was based on the work of Sven Beckert, > Edward Baptist et al who come out of the Eric Williams tradition. If > there was an afterlife, I'd like to think of Jim Blaut up on a cloud > somewhere grinning at the pendulum swinging in his direction at last. > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/markalause%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
