On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:42 PM, S. Artesian wrote:
>
> I think we're much better off not trying to make of Beethoven  
> anything other
> than what he was-- as Robert Greenberg puts it in his lectures on
> Beethoven's Symphonies-- "genius and troublemaker."  His democracy,  
> his
> liberty, and freedom, his overthrow of convention is his music.   
> It's all
> about the music, not Beethoven's politics.


Exactly!

Shane Mage

> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos

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